2007 Honda Civic GX: Long Time Between Oil Changes

When I bought the 2007 Honda Civic GX for the long term fleet last year I remembered hearing that one of the advantages of this car, besides low pollution and low fuel costs, was that you could go a long time between oil changes. The Honda brochure said that the natural gas it runs on is less corrosive than gasoline so the oil remains uncontaminated longer. And, since it has a maintenance minder, it just tells you when you need service.

When I got into the car I noticed the little wrench light icon and a "B1" in the odometer window. Looking in the manual, I saw that this called for an oil and filter change, a tire rotation, check fluids and various inspections. I emailed my local Honda service department to ask if they could work on the GX and what this would cost. They replied that the B1 service was $104 but that they also recommended two other filter changes that would run $165 so the total would be $269.95. There was nothing in the manual about these other filter changes so I decided to skip it for now.



As consumer advice editor, I'm going to be beefing up our "how to" section, so I decided to tackle this modest mechanical task myself and call it research. I was also inspired by reading Dan Edmunds' excellent post about performing a similar service on the 2008 Scion xB. I used to really enjoy working on cars so I cheerfully headed to the dealership for supplies. I purchased a Honda oil filter, four quarts of 5W-20 oil and a special wrench for removing the filter. Total after tax was $31.89 (oil from an auto parts store would have been much cheaper but I didn't want to make two stops).

The only tricky part was getting access to the filter and oil pan drain plug. The clearance is low and there wasn't room to simply silde under there. I had to jack up the car, put it on a jack stand and remove the filter and drain plug, then lower the car to make sure it drained properly. That was a hassle, but I had to rotate the tires too, so it wasn't wasted motion. I also did the inspections and checked all the fluids. The old oil I put into containers provided by the City of Long Beach to be picked up along with my recycling stuff.

I'm puzzled about whether this is the first or the second oil change. At 14,411 miles, that would be an awfully long time. But there were no records in the maintenance book or posts about an earlier oil change. I'll check further and report any findings.

It took an hour and a half to do all the work which doesn't break any records. And with the expensive dealership oil and the special wrench I didn't save a lot of money -- this time. Next time around it will be faster and I'll trim the costs down even further. Still, the best part of it was actually working my own work on a car. There's precious little chance to do that these days.

Philip Reed, Edmunds.com senior consumer advice editor @14,411 miles

 

Posted by Philip Apr 2, 2008 8:03 pm

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duh_rel - Apr 11, 2008 11:49 am (#10 Total: 10)  

 
 
Philip: From what I read of your copy/pasted e-mail, is the service advisor implying that CNG vehicles have TWO filters for the fuel (one low pressure, one high pressure)? I find it quite ridiculously that such an economy car, that's marketed as a gasoline alternative (with the expected savings from rising gas prices), would cost so much to service.

playdrv4me - Apr 4, 2008 12:43 pm (#9 Total: 10)  

 
 
Holy Lord, it never ceases to amaze me how dealerships just non-chalantly expect us to pay these absurd service prices on ECONOMY cars!
 
104.95 for a basic service is only a few dollars away from what I have paid for my BMWs, Lincolns, Lexii etc. in the past. Throw in another 165.00 for good measure and you've crept MIGHTY close to the oil change/basic service price for my BMW M3 with 11.00 a quart 10w/60 oil.
 
Nuts. Glad you did it yourself.

philip17 - Apr 4, 2008 9:51 am (#8 Total: 10)  

 
 
There has been a lot of speculation on what filters the dealership was trying to charge me for. I'm pasting in the email I got from the dealership. As you'll notice they have presented the B1 service as "base" so the filters must be something they "recommend" for even better care of your car. Anyway, here it is:
 
The B-1 service on your G.X.Civic includes replacing the low pressure fuel filter and draining the moisture from the high pressure filter along with all of the other service items oil and filter service,tire rotation checking brakes inspecting steering and suspension,inspecting exhaust system fuel lines
etc.
The base B-1 service is $104.95 plus $165.00 for the new low pressure filter
and servicing the high pressure filter.$269.95 plus tax total.

stovt001 - Apr 3, 2008 12:02 pm (#7 Total: 10)  

 
 
Dealerships charge a lot for cabin air filter replacements. I bet that was the big cost driver there. My Chevy dealership does oil changes for $30, tire rotations for $10. That is only just slightly more than doing it myself (for the oil change that is. Obviously I can rotate my tires myself at no cost) which is nice since I can't do my own wrenching living in an apartment complex.

sodaguy - Apr 3, 2008 11:29 am (#6 Total: 10)  

 
 
The two other filters that they were trying to sell were probably the engine and cabin air filters.

cx7lover - Apr 3, 2008 10:57 am (#5 Total: 10)  

 
 
Edmunds must be cutting back on the frivolous spending, looks like getting into accidents every other week seriously cuts down on the maintenance budget.
 
7,000 miles isn't a long time at all.

sandcountry360 - Apr 3, 2008 8:16 am (#4 Total: 10)  

 
 
7,000 miles is a long time? Wow, I went 10,000 in my Trailblazer and still had about 15% oil life left on the indicator. Others are routinely going 12,000. Kudos for doing your own maintenance though; ya'll should try that more often. I think it'd be good to do a test, with one of the cars in the fleet, and do All of the maintenance on it yourselves. Keep a tally of how much time and money you put into it, and compare it with how much you would have spent at the dealership. Only take it to the dealer for warranty stuff. Is it really worth the time & money to DIY everything?
 
Side note: That filter wrench looks awfully worn to be "brand new".

skierx420 - Apr 3, 2008 6:54 am (#3 Total: 10)  

 
 
2 other filters? the only 2 that come to mind that need regular changing is the air filter and the fuel filter but i'm gonna bet that CNG does not have a fuel filter of any sort. what could these mysterious filters be? I'll bet that its the coffee filter in the break room that they are changin for $165. I'm looking at my local Jeep dealership's pricing menu that they leave in my glovebox. Its $26.95 for the standard 5 qt. oil change and inspection. Its $43.95 for a tire rotation with an oil change. Why is it so expensive out there?

langjie - Apr 3, 2008 6:07 am (#2 Total: 10)  

 
Boston, MA  
"They replied that the B1 service was $104 but that they also recommended two other filter changes that would run $165 so the total would be $269.95. There was nothing in the manual about these other filter changes so I decided to skip it for now."
 
*cough* stealership *cough*

sodaguy - Apr 2, 2008 9:43 pm (#1 Total: 10)  

 
 
The Maintenance Minder system alternates between the "A" and "B" services. The car probably had an A1 service last time and therefore it requested a B1 this time.
 
"Every once in a while there's even is a soupçon of excitement: wondering how much farther you can drive once the fuel gauge hits empty (haven't run out yet); getting the recall notice that says the CNG tank could take off like a rocket if we lit a big fire in the back seat (we still haven't taken it in for the fix – a new seal of some sort); visiting Honda dealership at 7,000 miles for the first scheduled oil change (the first time its been to a dealership since we picked it up at the end of June; and getting the Phill."
 
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