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I hope someone tried to record its lap times around the 'Ring. Anything under eight minutes would impress me.
Here's a n00b question for ya'll. Will the fifth generation Camaro be called a F-body? I know it's being built on the Zeta platform.
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estreka
- Apr 7, 2008 1:37 pm
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rkoe36
- Apr 7, 2008 2:30 pm
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That thing, while rather good looking in a brutish sort of way, is HUGE. How in the crap will a four-cylinder turbo ever push that car? I spoke with a Chevy sales rep the other day while my folks were shopping for a car and he says the word is that the Camaro will be positioned as an 'economy' model, with almost no emphasis placed on the available (and hot) V8 models. Hmm. Maybe a 2 litre turbo would be a good engine choice....if the car was about the same size as a 1 series. Muscle cars are going to have to get smaller and lighter if they're going to stick around.
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estreka
- Apr 7, 2008 3:36 pm
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I can personally attest to the capabilities of a FI four banger. You can get some real power out of small engines.
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A turbo-four? Really?? Wow. The old-school muscle car guys aren't going to like that much.
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jriz
- Apr 7, 2008 4:14 pm
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The front 3/4 of this car looks awesome -- makes that Mustang KITT car look lame. No chrome, no cheesy fake alloy, no huge gold bow tie. If I had a Camaro, I'd want it looking just like this.
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rkoe36
- Apr 7, 2008 4:36 pm
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Sabastian,
No doubt that turbo'd fours are capable of intense power, but what I meant, specifically, was that if one is going to be the base-model Camaro's engine, it'll have to be working so hard (and using premium fuel), and thereby won't be able to qualify a Camaro as an economy car. I reiterate. Smaller. Please.
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stovt001
- Apr 7, 2008 9:11 pm
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I'm a very active member of one of the leading 5th Gen websites, so I'll address some things the dedicated fans have established:
Suby - There has been some debate over whether we can call this an F-body, or even a Zeta. While opinions were pretty split, the slight majority goes to calling it simply "Camaro" given that there is no sister car.
Rkoe, I've seen a number of pictures with the preproduction cars with people standing next to it, and it is actually quite small, definitely comparable to the Mustang. The TC DI 2.0L will likely be bumped to 300 hp next year, which is more than enough to motivate a car this size. It is not the Challenger. GM engineers won't tell us the exact weight, but its been hinted to be at around 3700 lbs or less.
Sabastian - when the reports of GM considering a 4 cyl option (it is just a possibility being discussed at this time for the future when CAFE laws start kicking in) hit our site, a number of people were up in arms, but after calming down and thinking rationally about it, we all realized that an efficient 4 cyl model means we get to keep our affordable V8s even in the time of ill-informed CAFE increases, so we're all for it now.
Finally, we have to reiterate over and over and over again: Those are not the real headlights nor the real taillights. They are in an accelerated stress test separate from the road car tests. The headlights you see here are similar to the test headlights seen on the Malibu and CTS. The taillights are red and amber to meet European regulations. We'll see all red here in the U.S.
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Brakes look awesome. Those wheels and that color really show off the calipers.
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3700lbs isn't that heavy this days. The CX7 has a turbo 4 and is heavier then that.
Accords and Camry's are almost that heavy now.
I doubt there will be a 4 though. More likely a 3.5 V6.
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3700lbs isn't that heavy this days. The CX7 has a turbo 4 and is heavier then that.
Accords and Camry's are almost that heavy now.
The Camaro is supposed to be a muscle car and you're mentioning two family sedans and a SUV. Huh? 3700 lbs is obscenely heavy for a sports car. Obscene.
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Just giving you examples of other vehicles that are thought of as light but weigh as much.
The CX7 isn't an SUV, it's a cute ute. It should weigh 3000 lbs. The Camry and the Accord are supposed to be mid sized practical family sedans and they weigh almost that much.
You mentioned muscle car and sports car in the same sentence. They are not the same thing. I agree it's too heavy for a sports car but the Camaro has never been a sports car.
Check out the original muscle cars of the 60's. 3700 lbs is not out of line. It's a lot lighter then some and none came with nearly as much equipment or safety gear.
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I love the Victorian plates. I doubt that the American versions will come with those though
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Given all the safety systems the government requires now, it is difficult to get any car other than a 4-banger econobox much lighter. This isn't a sports car, as it has 4 seats. It isn't technically a muscle car. Although most people refer to any V8 powered car as a muscle car, that label really means a car that starts out as a normal family car as a base but gets a powerful engine. This is a Pony car, a small-to-midsize four-seater with a wide range of engine sizes and sporty driving characteristics. It isn't a Vette, and it isn't a Lotus. However, it also isn't a Challenger or Charger.
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The government needs to stop mandating that cars get heavier and heavier yet keep expecting better mileage.
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"The government needs to stop mandating that cars get heavier and heavier yet keep expecting better mileage"
Maybe some of us Americans need to stop getting fatter and fatter so the cars wont have to be bigger.
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kdubz
- Apr 8, 2008 6:34 pm
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No way in hell is there going to be a four cylinder in that beast! Also, who cares about the weight of this car as compared to other cars, "sports cars" or "family cars". All we should care about is how well it performs at the track and on the streets. And my guess is that it is definetly not going to be a disapointment. I'm also willing to bet that it gets pretty good gas mileage, no matter the engine size.
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kdubz, you can't break the laws of physics (unless you're BMW. lol) Maybe GM won't disappoint with the performance and economy at that sort of weight, but the point is, as the weight decreases, performance and fuel economy both go up. All other factors being equal, that will always be true. Lighter is better!
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PS- I never really liked the Camaro concept, but for some reason I'm drawn to this one.
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This car is HOT!!! I can't wait for it to come out. I will be waiting for the SS version first before getting one, but once it does I will be at the dealership picking mine out.
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