RWD Subaru coupe will(!) dilute brand's AWD image

Many within FHI (Subaru) worry that a RWD Subaru coupe could dilute brand's AWD image. Well, duh... Of course it will—and I've been saying this from the very moment I got wind of this news...

"We may lose our longstanding territory, or we may lose the great niche brand image. The potential risk is there. We have to be very smart on marketing strategy," states Mat Nagato, chief of overseas sales at Subaru parent Fuji Heavy Industries. He goes on to also say, "a potential question could be cannibalization."

It's a bad idea. No, make that an awful idea, that being a RWD Subaru coupe. I'll go even further: It's the stupidest marketing idea I've yet heard from Subaru—and that going some, as they have long history of making bonehead marketing decisions—and this is coming from a diehard Subaru fan (we've got three in the family, one being a WRX).

Can you imagine this dynamic duo—a Toyota and Subaru that are identical except for a different grille and taillights? Think Pontiac Solstice/Saturn/Sky clones; or better yet, the ill-fated Saab 9-2x/Subara Impreza fiasco.

That's what they'll end up with; two virtually identical cars fighting each other for customers. I say give the Toyota version RWD and keep the Subaru version AWD. That way the vehicles will be distinct from one another, and will appeal to different customers.

But you say you want a RWD Subaru because it will be cheaper, lighter, slightly more fuel-efficient and simpler than any AWD version?

I say go buy the Toyota then—and leave the Subaru AWD for those of us who want and appreciate that configuration. And hey, Subaru will make money regardless which one you buy, as they both will be built using the Subaru boxer engine, and will be built in a Subaru factory.

Finally, if you're wondering why I'm even mentioning the possibility of AWD being offered, my understanding is that has not yet been finally determined. So an AWD possibility is on the table, at least for now it is.

Full story here. And for those who can't log on to AN, you can find the article here.

UPDATE: In a related story (here). Nick Senior, Subaru of Australia's managing director says no to this coupe, as Subaru Australia won't import it. Here are a few quotes from Senior on this topic:

“From my understanding of it, it doesn’t fit within our brand strategy.”

“But more realistically and more credibly, our DNA is boxer engines and all-wheel drive. I haven’t seen that lose impetus in the last 10 years, so why should we stray from that strategy?”

On the subject of the similar Toyota model, Senior stated: “It gets back to the whole debate about badge engineering and we aren’t interested in that."

Posted by Bob Apr 22, 2008 4:00 am

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adb4 - Apr 22, 2008 5:18 am (#1 Total: 13)  

 
 
From the Department of Corrections:
The Pontiac Solstice and Saturn share almost no sheetmetal (only powertrain and underbody), and have a number of different interior parts. The 9-2x and Impreza did have different front end sheetmetal (hood, fenders, fascias, grille, lamps). The situation you're describing is akin to the Nissan Quest/Mercury Villager--and just as distasteful. But don't drag down Solstice and Sky; together, they're outselling the MX5 by 50%.

rsholland - Apr 22, 2008 6:53 am (#2 Total: 13)  

 
Ellicott City MD United States of America  
Point taken about the Solstice and Sky. However, at a quick glance, the cars are very similar looking, and they certainly share the same visual stance.
 
Together they may be outselling the Miata, but I bet that would be case if it only came as a Pontiac, or only as a Saturn. So, selling them at two different sales outlets isn't the reason for the good sales.
 
I also agree with you about the Quest/Villager comparison. In fact the same could be said of most domestic minivans that are sold under different nameplates, and now also with the GMC Acadia, et al.

ateixeira - Apr 22, 2008 7:12 am (#3 Total: 13)  

 
Recife, PE, Brazil  
I really do not expect to see 2 clones. Toyota is pretty good at differentiating two vehicles on the same platform.
 
For example, the Matrix does not look like a Corolla wagon. You really cannot tell they share the same wheelbase, engine, everything under the skin basically.
 
Same for the xD and the Yaris. They look nothing alike.
 
I really do not expect to see twins from Subaru and Toyota. I think they will look a lot different. Let Toyota build the sleek, low coupe and give the Subaru a hidden hatch and a slightly more upright profile like the beloved GC8 Impreza.
 
Under the skin they will be very similar, but this is a Subaru after all, so it's not like we'll be seeing Toyota's numb steering or understeer.
 
I do agree that the Toyota should be RWD and the Subaru should be AWD. At the very least AWD should be optional on the Subaru. It would be a mistake to offer RWD only. Subaru is not well established in the Sun Belt and that would limit sales.

firstwagon - Apr 22, 2008 8:23 am (#4 Total: 13)  

 
 
"For example, the Matrix does not look like a Corolla wagon"
 
Maybe not but it does look just like a Vibe.
 
While I'm not againest a 2wd Subaru (they made them for years), I think an AWD in this case would be a much better idea for Subaru. There's a strong business case for both an AWD and RWD.
 
Give the people what they want.

estreka - Apr 22, 2008 9:21 am (#5 Total: 13)  

 
subarctic north - Great Falls, MT  
This is what folks said about Porsche building the Cayenne or VW building the Phaeton. Sometimes shifting a company's direction works, sometimes it definatively does not.

wenhead - Apr 22, 2008 10:03 am (#6 Total: 13)  

 
 
I had a 1981 Subaru DL small wagon. That car was front wheel drive, and it was great car.All wheel drive is cool, but an all awd line up is too limiting.I have no intrest in RWD cars. I guess once you have pushed a car home in the snow (no snow tires or traction control", I am a fwd or awd fan.

stovt001 - Apr 22, 2008 12:42 pm (#7 Total: 13)  

 
 
I think the greater threat to Subaru is the possibility of greatly reduced reliability/drastically increased warranty costs by teaming up with Toyota. It certainly screwed GM over.

crowb - Apr 22, 2008 12:53 pm (#8 Total: 13)  

 
 
I agree on letting Subaru offer the AWD version and Toyota offering the RWD version.
 
Subaru should borrow what they can from Toyota only where it benefits them. Let Toyota use their buying power and muscle to get Subaru some better materials for their interiors. Let Toyota infuse Subaru with some cash so they can bring on some more advanced transmissions and branch out into other areas of research. Don't let Toyota take away the AWD though. Just my two cents.

moparbad - Apr 22, 2008 2:20 pm (#9 Total: 13)  

 
USA  
AWD is too limiting economically in sitiuations where FWD is sufficient 99% of the time.
Fuel economy is increasing in importance as a buying decision and Subaru will need to eventually offer FWD, why not start with a performance vehicle with RWD that enthusiasts will accept.

firstwagon - Apr 22, 2008 3:44 pm (#10 Total: 13)  

 
 
"why not start with a performance vehicle with RWD that enthusiasts will accept."
 
Because a Subaru that is forever getting stuck in the snow or spinning out in the rain would be very bad for the companies image.
 
The more I think about it, the more I believe the Toyota version should be the cheaper light weight rear drive version and the Subaru should be the premium AWD high powered version.

rsholland - Apr 22, 2008 4:26 pm (#11 Total: 13)  

 
Ellicott City MD United States of America  
The more I think about it, the more I believe the Toyota version should be the cheaper light weight rear drive version and the Subaru should be the premium AWD high powered version.
 
Yep, that's how I see it too.

moparbad - Apr 22, 2008 6:07 pm (#12 Total: 13)  

 
USA  
Times change and Subaru can change with the times or be paragraph in the history books.
 
If Subaru can sell a diesel, they can sell FWD and RWD.

hondacura4 - Apr 22, 2008 6:54 pm (#13 Total: 13)  

 
 
Ill see if I can pump any information from my father as he is a product planner for Toyota.






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