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I would like to see the Pontiac G8, Cadillac CTS and BMW 1 series all on long term test because each of these cars are important to the marque and they are for Cadillac and Pontiac a sign to the future of the brands.
The Ford F-150 should be tested if for no other reason than it being the nations best selling vehicle.

How about a CTS-V
6.2L Supercharged V8
550hp/550lbs-ft
255/4019 fr, 285/3019 r Pilot PS2s
Tremec manual or 6L90-E paddle shifted automatic
2 mode Magnetic Ride Control
Launch Mode
14 way Recaros
Bluetooth
4300 lbs curb weight (auto)
 
M5 is officially a has been
 
(note: Link removed because it was disrupting page...and the cool photo layout I set up above -KB)
 
Realistically, 1 series, Honca FCX, G8 or regular CTS

Cars that have something new to bring to the table:
BMW 1 Series -- Is it a 2002 successor?
Cadillac CTS -- Can Cadillac really play in the meat of BMW's territory?
Ford Flex -- Can it save Ford?
Ford Fusion Hybrid -- Worth the price?
Honda FCX -- Hydrogen: Practical?
Mercedes-Benz E320 Blutec -- The upscale Diesel Daily Driver. How's that Urea working out for ya?
Pontiac G8 -- A muscle car living in an energy crunch.
Smart
 
In particular "Living with a Smart" could be a great ongoing featurette. Thing's halfway between a motorcycle and a real car, anyway.
 
Meh
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BMW X5
Dodge Grand Caravan
Ford F150
Saturn Astra
Suzuki SX4
 
You could write the long-term wrapups on these before even getting the cars, Karl!
 
X5 -- "We really appreciated the X5's combination of sportiness and utility, but thought there were better values in other, lower-priced crossovers like the Murano."
 
Caravan: "We hauled lots of people and stuff and had bad dealer experiences."
 
F150: "Good refinement, poplar with people who needed to haul stuff. Too darn big for suburban or urban use. Mediocre power, yet dismal mileage."
 
Astra: Sporty and appealing, but we wish we were driving a Mazda3.
 
...etc...

BMW 1 Series, Cadillac CTS, Ford F150, Mercedes-Benz E320 Blutec, and Pontiac G8 are my votes. Of course the 1 Series being the most important of all.

I have always wanted to buy a new American make and I am willing to even take the hit on depreciation but what concerns me is the long term reliability.
 
I am certain I am not alone in my concerns. Truth is that today American makes need to be tested and proven for long term reliability. To a consumer the best sales pitch is good statistics from 3rd parties like Edmunds.
 
I am certain that the new models (Acadia, Tahoe, Malibu etc.) are all great cars but all those people like me who want an Acadia and end up with a Highlander do so because we cannot afford a $30,000 mistake.
 
So drop the X5 (we all know its a great car) and please bring in the Acadias and Tahoes to your list. Thanks!

How about the upcoming all new Subaru Forester ? Its totally re-designed and could be consider in the specialized/niche market.

I think some of these are very predictable, too:
 
Cadillac CTS -- "close, but no cigar"
Dodge Caravan -- "not as good as Odyssey"
Suzuki SX4 -- "third world car sold here by mistake"
Pontiac G8 -- "diamond in the rough waiting to be cut"
Ford 150 -- "what's the point?"
BMW X5 -- "perfect but unreliable"
 
What I would like to see:
 
1. VW Jetta Wagon TDi -- if VW comes through with this one.
2. Subaru WRX or WRX STi. The hatch, please.
3. BMW 335d -- how to have your cake and eat it, too.
4. Infiniti EX -- the RWD one. Is it the sports car of CUVs, with its unique RWD chassis?
5. Tesla Roadster -- is this the future?

I wish you would have given some reasons as to why your list is what it is.
 
But on your list. (or at least what I could comment on)
 
BMW 1 Series - Would be interesting to read and know more about, a brand new nich/mass market car.
 
BMW X5 - dont know much about, can't say.
 
Cadillac CTS - hmm good choice, a replacemnt for the G35?
 
Dodge Grand Caravan - While i could not care. And its very ugly. not to mention the top of the line costs 40 grand. I think you are low on mini-vans so its a worthy choice, and I belive the only new thing on the market.
 
Ford F150. If it replaces the silverado, All for its,
 
Ford Flex - this thing is reallying coming out?
 
Ford Fusion Hybrid - off all the sedans you have, This would be at the bottom of my list.
 
Honda FCX - you already have a hydrogen car, if you are replacing that one, ok, otherwise... The market for this is so tiny and limited.
 
Mercedes-Benz E320 Blutec. i thought you already got one?
 
Pontiac G8 - hmm a more mainstream rwd car. If it was between this and the cts... I'd say take the G8 its even 'newer' and will likely sell more, it would be interesting to hear what its like daily.
 
Saturn Astra,Smart,Suzuki SX4. I'd almost combine all these in. And throw them out. and pick the car below:
 
I would pick a volvo c30. I think it hits a very nice target market. Sporty but not overall so. roomy, but not large. Its one of my perfect target price cars. Starts about 25k nicely equiped, and even under 30k its very nicely loaded. Seems to be a very well balanced car, between power, refinement, price, and comfort. The car for the late 20's/early 30's without families, that still go out on weekends, and want to do it stylishly, but not coming off like snoobs.
 
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Other cars to consider.
 
the 2009 saturn vue 2-mode hybrid. can gm really pull it off?
 
the 2009 hyundia gensis project (or whatever it will be called): can hyundai make a rwd car to compete in the lux market with a price that matchs the 1 series?
 
2008 subaru imperza/wrx/sti. Not really picky on the trim. and you might argue this is too much in the middle. not nich, not a mess seller. I would say this is Subarus attempt at becoming more main stream (ok not the sti). How well does it do, the awd does seem like a waste in ca, but in the northern areas its always worth considering, and this car has one of the better systems and lower costs.
 
(i'll have more later)

I'd say:
 
CTS: Caddy's big comeback car? Motor Trend loves it, I'd love to see how it does in a test like this. It's a pretty high profile car getting a lot of press too, and it's a redesign.
 
BMW 1 series: Again, a lot of press and a new vehicle. I'd particularly like to see it compared frequently to both cars of similar cost, as well as similar size. Many seem to think it's pretty expensive for what it does.
 
Pontiac G8: Slightly a repeat story given the CTS is on here, but it's sort of the first Pontiac that really seems to be getting attention in awhile. Another one of those "Hey, GM is actually making interesting cars again?"
 
Honda FCX: I'd really like to see this car pushed to it's limits. It's been getting nothing but love as you drive it around the 200'ish mile area around the only hydrogen station known to man. How would it fare in areas that aren't California? What happens when it breaks down, is it expensive to fix? How often are there problems with it?
 
Smart: Again, huge press on this car. It's like the iPod of cars now. It's gonna be an ultra trendy style statement you can make in your car that says 'techno-hip' and 'green' all at once. Give it the full long-term treatment too, and try straying from it's rather niche area, and see how it works for a daily driver. Road trips? Picking up groceries? Highway driving on windy days? How does it fare? On the last day you guys should test the saftey claim to the max too. Take a long term heavy duty SUV/Truck and broadside this sucker going 45mph in it.

1 series for sure. Some people are so pessimistic about BMWs' FTD factor nowadays and this might be the one to change that.
 
CTS would be a close second.
 
G8 as well.

BMW 1 -- I'm really curious to learn if BMW can build a compelling product at this smaller price and size. Will be great to hear from your editors if it's worth the premium over mainstream products; or, should we save our money for a 3 series.
 
Saturn Astra -- Great design, but I want to know how it compares over time with the Civic.
 
Honda FCX -- even though it's California-only for now, I want to know if this car really is going to be the future, or if it's just a greenwashing ploy by Honda. I'm pretty impressed with what I've read about it so far -- but I would like to see what Edmonds' editors think.

I would love to see the BMW 1 series tested, but please, test the 128i, we already know the 135i is a dynamite hit. I would like to see some "Cheaper" versions of cars tested, like you opted to do with the Buick SUV you have in your fleet now.

Here's my list
 
1-Series - "Is a tiny Beemer with a big price tag worth it?"
CTS - "Can America really build a sports sedan"
FCX - "What's the future like?"
Smart - "What is life like in the world's smallest car?"
Astra - "As good as a Civic?"
F-150 - "Why is this America's best selling vehicle?...Seriously."

A Subaru Impreza (WRX or other) or possibly Legacy/Outback would be good to have as a long term driver.
If you plan to wait until mid year, then the Forester would be even better - it represents a lot of tweaks Subaru did to make the model more appealing to American drivers.
 
There are few AWD cars on your current list and having one from the best known manufacturer would give us some idea how those vehicles really hold up.

+1 for the BMW 1 Series.

Do NOT get an X5, smart, SX4 or FCX. It is pointless to get a car that isnt available to the rest of the country, it would be a total waste. I see no reason to get the X5, its exactly the same as the last one except its bigger. Nothing new to see there at all and its not generating any buzz.
 
The G8 or CTS are strong contenders and one of them MUST be in the fleet. You would be remiss not to add one of those vehicles. The caravan, e320 and Flex also look like strong choices.
 
do not get the Astra, its only going to be around for a few years and your staff wont like it anyway due to lack of power and lack of MP3 jack.
 
When has Ford confirmed production of the Fusion hybrid? Did I miss something.

How about continuing the used 308 theme with a Ferrari 250GTO or Alfa 8c2900 MM? :-)
 
Seriously, I personally would like to see the 1-series, FCX, and the best diesel you can find. Further down my list are Smart, STi, CTS and Flex. The least interesting to me that you mentioned are Caravan, X5, SX4 and F150.

I like the general consensus forming here. I'll add my votes for:
 
128i: LT test the true entry-level bimmer. You can always do a shorter test of the 135.
 
CTS
G8
Flex
E320 Bluetec: Yay, diesel!
 
I'll also second the motion for the Infiniti EX35.
 
Are we really getting a 335d here? If so, I'd love to see that tested. Same goes for a Jetta Wagon TDI. Yes, I'm very interested in the new diesels!

Good ideas:
Cadillac CTS
Dodge Grand Caravan
Ford Flex
Ford Fusion Hybrid
Smart
 
Iffy:
Mercedes-Benz E320 Blutec (methinks a Volkswagen diesel might be more appropriate)
BMW 1 Series
 
No-go:
Suzuki SX4
Ford F150
BMW X5
Pontiac G8
Saturn Astra
Honda FCX
 
Additions:
Toyota Sequoia
Ford Focus
Jaguar XF
Honda Pilot
Mazda 6
Nissan Murano
Toyota Venza
Volkswagen Tiguan

Whether you get anything else or not, make sure you get the Pontiac G8 GT in orange, and fully loaded. I LOVE that car, it looks amazing and its inexpensive but really potent.
 
My second choice is the Dodge Caravan. It's got a lot of great features and plus there are no minivans in the LT fleet.
 
Last choice, Saturn Astra. Time to see if the European GM products are as good as everyone thinks.
 
And as a backup, I say Ford Flex. Time to see if its a good minivan replacement.
 
Dont get things like the X5 - reading about the R500 and Q7 was enough. No Smart either, that car is too tiny to be useful for anything. As for the E320, its based on an old platform so skip that.

You probably already saw my response coming, Karl.
 
1) Subaru Impreza WRX or WRX STI
2) Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
3) MAZDASPEED3 (the 2006 Sport Compact Comparo winner)
4) a 1 Series Bimmer
 
A Cadillac CTS, smart fortwo, or Opel/Saturn Astra would also be cool additions to the fleet as well imo. Perhaps one of GM's new two-mode hybrid Tahoes or Yukons would be good, too.

FCX - I would love to see this added, but to be honest, I doubt the feedback would be terribly enlightening (much like the Civic GX, when was that last reviewed?).
 
G8 - Everyone wants to know about this car. I bet it would draw a significant amount of traffic. The question is, do you get the V8?
 
1-series - It won't be comprable to the 2002. It'd be an interesting read for a while, but everything everyone wants to know can be summed up in a short comparison test.
 
CTS - Admiable, but as many said, the reviews have been predetermined. I'd say hold off on this at least for now.
 
Caravan - I don't think Dodge has increased their interior quality enough to warrant this.
 
E320 - You've already got an MB. There'd be a lot of overlap.

Oh thanks subby.
 
yes get the mazdaspeed3. Its been on your most wanted list what twice now? well if its that wanted... what are you waiting for.
 
So of these posts fail to relize some of the vechicals edmunds will need to get are replacements.
 
I.E. the silverado is probably on its last legs. Hench the f150.
 
The long term fleet also is lacking a mini-van hench the dodge caravan.
 
Edmunds also has added a Jetta TDI to the fleet. I wish it was the new one, but its their so theirs no point.
 
the blue-tech. Well, I say add it, to see if the whole re-fil urea thing is a pain.
 
and since they are getting rid of the fit...
Theres nothing wrong with edmunds getting a smart. How many of us will own that?

How about the redesigned Audi A4, based on the A5 platform?
VW Jetta Wagon TDi
VW Tiguan
Saturn Astra
Toyota Matrix
Ford Focus
Mazda6
BMW M3 (so your testers have something to fight over)
 
I'd like to see some an example of a modern, mainstream diesel sedan/wagon. Smell? Noise? Driving impressions? Effects of cold weather? Reliability? Real-world MPG?
 
Save your money and skip the BMW 1-series. I liked the idea at first, but it's way too expensive if it's priced barely under the 3-series. Frankly, I'd rather see a MB A-class come over from Europe.
 
I've driven a grey-market imported Smart FourTwo already, and even though my wife owns a MINI and we both think the Smarts are cute, I wouldn't consider owning one outside of a dense city environment. It will get a lot of buzz at first, but eventually it will just be that funny car you see when you visit NYC. (Sorry, Roger Penske!)
 
And pencil in the 2009 Honda Fit on your list for next year.

opfreak - when did Edmunds add a Jetta TDI to their fleet
 
delawaredude - I dont think they`re going to buy a new M3 considering they just got a used M3 for a good price.
 
I agree with you about the Ford Focus though, it would be interesting to read about the whole Sync system, how it is to live with.

BMW 1 Series - either this or the Volvo C30...
 
BMW X5 - this one might turn out more like the huge Mercedes van wannabe thingy that you had (still have?).
 
Cadillac CTS - We all know this car is good. But how good is it? And after all is said and done is really better than a 5-series?
 
Dodge Grand Caravan - Meh. I don't really see the point, but there needs to be a "real" minivan in the fleet and this is a new as it gets. It won't be as good as the Honda and most of the posts will elaborate on it's awful plasticky interior, but hey that's a Chrylser thing!
 
Ford F150 - If the only reason is to replace the Siverado and have a truck in the fleet I say no. Although you have the Siverado and now the Tundra and to see which of the trucks does things the best (although we all "think" the Ford won't fare as well as the Chevy or the Toyota) might be a good comparo.
 
Ford Flex - Can this really compete against GM's Outlook/Enclacve/Acadia or Mazda's CX-9?
 
Ford Fusion Hybrid - Just gotta have a Hybrid to replace that Prius.. BTW is it sill in the fleet?
 
Honda FCX - Unless there are more hydrogen stations around, I can't see the point of this... kind of like the Civic GX.
 
Mercedes-Benz E320 Blutec - Why can't more of us American's see the benefit of diesels vehicles other than heavy duty trucks? Maybe a test like this will help.
 
Pontiac G8 - YES YES YES
 
Saturn Astra - I have a feeling that it will turn out much like the Aura test. Good car, but nowhere near a Civic and a Mazda3
 
Smart - Small car in a country that love huge cars. Prepare to get squished.
 
Suzuki SX4 - I don't know much about this car
 
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Most are good viable choices I think. I would leave off the F-150, the FCX, the X5, the Astra and the Fusion Hybrid.
 
I a Hybrid Silverado. Since the Tahoe and the Silverado use the same system, any lessons learned could also be applied to the Tahoe Hybrid and you would be able to also learn if the Hyrbrid is viable for a real truck. I would also say Malibu, but then again it's test would probably also end up like the Aura's - good car but no Accord.

I'd love to see a new diesel, but that's maybe one or two years down the road when Honda and BMW have their new diesels out.
 
Forget the G8, but the CTS is the most wanted from me. The GTO and Grand Prix have left a bad taste in my mouth, however the last gen CTS was good and this feels even better. The DI V6 is a must in the LT fleet.
 
I'm sure a BMW 1 series is floating to the top, I hope it's the 128 not 135. This would be a perfect second car, if not so expensive.
 
The obligatory F150, I guess, and a new minivan. Wow, this isn't much more fun than real life.
 
"Suzuki SX4 -- "third world car sold here by mistake" " is hilarious, but accurate. I can't believe it's in the running. Why not put the sebring on the list.
 
Leave the smart car out, as it doesn't satisfy the needs of most readers, although it could be an interesting read.
 
As always, I'd like to see some AWD sedan on the list, although we seldom hear about snow driving at Edmunds. Why can't we have a "foot of snow shootout" at some point?

Wow tough choice. The CTS, 1 series, and G8 are the three on top of my purchase list. I would love to see how all three hold up as it would help me determine which to buy.
 
My choices on which to get would be like this:
1) CTS, CTS, CTS!!!!!! All the press talks of how good it drives and looks but how does it hold up? You guys have had a 330i and currently have a G35 and C300. Great opportunity to compare its liveability to these cars.
 
2) 135i, is it too small? Is it worth $35k? Should I just buy a 3 series?
 
3) G8, Pontiac is back to RWD. How does it hold up? Its Australian so there are some funky ergonomics, thoughts about them.
 
That is the order I'd buy the cars if I were you. CTSCTSCTS!!!

daytonana. Karl didn't give it away in his post about it. (he's sneak)
 
smart car buyers guide however blew the cover.
 
I think its still going through testing because its not listed in the offical long term test blog.
 
but heres the blog post that gave it away:
 
http://66.160.188.111/.eea1b29

edit: and I'd love to see the cheap 1 series, as opposed to the m135 bmw will be pushing.

New F-150 is a must. The 2009 Ram too, if that shows up this year.
 
No interest whatsoever in the almost-cars like the FCX, Civic GX, Smart, etc.
 
How about a circa 1970 domestic classic, or an almost classic like a Grand National or C4 ZR1?

Get a smart if you can. I'd like to see if your experience matches mine.

aspade I'm with you on the Grand National idea. One of the coolest cars of the 80s, IMO.

the smart has limited consumer appeal although I'm sure its a fantasy car more many a California environmentalist. Edmunds is viewed by people outside of CA and most of those people need a vehicle that can hold more than the smart car.
 
the CTS, F150, G8 and 1 series seem to have a lot of fans. The SX4, Caravan and FCX dont seem to be that popular here. Most people arent going to vote for a minivan but its surely more important to the average reader than the FCX or Smart car.
 
If they must get a hybrid this year I say get the Vue 2 mode unless the Fusion really is coming out.

I am also in favor of the 128 over the 135. I would/will be buying the 128 for sure. 300 horsepower is just...unnecessary in something like that, especially when it costs 5k. Can anyone tell me when they intend to float the hatches across the pond?
 
In what may be viewed as a contradictory suggestion, the G8 MUST be the V8 model. I think among many other reasons, the enthusiasts that are interested in the [V8] G8 need to see the real world fuel economy they'll have to endure to enjoy such power excesses.
 
It's all a matter of the class/niche. The G8 fits the bill of a full sized, brute force, straightline touring sledgehammer, hopefully with respectable handling dynamics for its size, while the 1 series is the razor sharp, canyon carving, 3 series you've always wanted, but with a more down to earth price and once again compact size.

Subaru STI w/Nav
 
Smart
 
Honda Ridgeline
 
EVO
 
Subaru Tribeca

Actually now that I see it on IL, the Hyundai Genesis if it's out in time, should be at the top with the 1 series and CTS!
 
This is probably the most significant new vehicle aside from the G8, in my eyes.

F150 - a critical vehicle for Ford.

1)1 series CONVERIBLE(the fleet doesn't have any cabrios)
2)FCX or smart
3)The E320 (but only with urea)
4) X5 7passenger w/ sunroof or X3 w/ sunroof if bmw gives it diesel
5)Yukon/Escalade Hybrid
 
I'd like to also add VW Tiguan preferably with diesel but the 2.0t is fine
 
-Cj

I would love to see the G8! I'm dying to get my hands on that baby :)
 
How about the VW EOS? I see those around alot and I've heard, for the most part, good things about em. Just a suggestion ;p

I just have to echo previous requests for a hot hatch or two - particularly the MazdaSpeed3 and the Subaru WRX. The STI would be nice, but I prefer to read about a sporting hatch I am likely to afford. I doubt I could justify the price premium to my soon-to-be-wife (I actually have until June...)
  
Also, the G8, or the CTS would be great - or even a Malibu. I'd like to consider one of these larger cars for her, instead of (*egad*) an Accord or Camry. But she is very nervous about American cars (having previously owned a Cavalier). Do these domestics have the long-term quality to ease her mind?

I would get the FCX, definitely.
I don't care what others you get, but I'm very curious to see how the FCX and hydrogen technology work out...

I'd go with the BMW 1 series, Pontiac G8, and Smart as being "important" cars in one way or another. Some of the others I don't know anything about.
 
The F150 seems a strange choice for '08. Is this the same old model that is on its way out soon or the new redesigned one you're considering? If the new design, it's a slam dunk must-have due to its top selling status and importance to Ford's future.
 
It might be interesting to see how the CTS does in real world conditions long term, if it can show high quality and reliability.
 
The Astra would be a good economy car choice.
 
The various hybrids that don't sell well get repetitive after a while. Yawn. If it's a really good design it might be worth a look.

Ford Fusion Hybrid
 
Honda FCX
 
Mercedes-Benz E320 Blutec
 
VW Tiguan
 
Any VW TDI
 
WRX
 
09 A4 Avant
 
Those seem interesting. The G8 seems somewhat interesting but after seeing it in person, it's not a very nice vehicle at all.
 
Anything else but another BMW.

I would geuss the F150 would be the new 09 one
 
if its any 08 whats the point?

2 mode Saturn Vue Hybrid. I think it's supposed to be at the dealerships by late summer.

"Those seem interesting. The G8 seems somewhat interesting but after seeing it in person, it's not a very nice vehicle at all. "
 
Well that settles it, BDC has spoken and the G8 is out!

Cadillac CTS
  
2009 Dodge Challenger- Production begins this summer.

The BMW 128i, CTS, Flex, Fusion Hybrid, and the Astra all sound interesting. The Smart would be good, if only to see if it's a useable day-to-day vehicle. The FCX would be a waste of time, no need for science experiments.

Mr215, sorry. I got my hopes up (silly me) and then reality sunk in when I finally got to see it. It's released by an American manufacturer and that should have been enough for me to know the rest of the plot.
 
I also said no to more boring BMWs but that doesn't fit with your agenda.

"It's released by an American manufacturer and that should have been enough for me to know the rest of the plot. "
 
Thats a relatively ridiculous statement but goes to show why your vote shouldn't mean much here. Let's see what the media says about the G8 before taking your (biased) opinion as gospel shall we? If you don't like American cars because their American (BTW, the G8 isnt american) then I would think its pointless for you to get excited about any domestically branded car. I dont know what you want in a $30k RWD car but it seems most people want 360hp, 50/50 weight distribution and space which means the G8 seems impressive to most posters here- not that they could ever know more than you. My "agenda" is simply evaluating cars based on their merits, not their brand name. I suppose that would be a hard concept for you to grasp since you apparently feel the brand is the most important factor.
 
I agree they dont need any more BMWs in the fleet but I'm sure they will get one anyway. and I dont say that because the 1 series is "boring". The WRX and Tiguan (a small SUV that brings nothing new to the table) sound sleep inducing to me though.

I'd say the CTS, Astra, FCX, and the Smart. Then for the old-car fleet, a 1992 Camry.

Thats a relatively ridiculous statement but goes to show why your vote shouldn't mean much here. Let's see what the media says about the G8 before taking your (biased) opinion as gospel shall we?
 
All opinions are subjective. Every human is biased. Karl is accused consistently of being anti-American manu (even though he seems pretty willing to go American...the guy owns American cars).
 
 If you don't like American cars because their American (BTW, the G8 isnt american)
 
I wrote: "It's released by an American manufacturer"
 
See that word, released? ;)
 
I dont know what you want in a $30k RWD car but it seems most people want 360hp, 50/50 weight distribution and space which means the G8 seems impressive to most posters here- not that they could ever know more than you. My "agenda" is simply evaluating cars based on their merits, not their brand name.
 
My interest in the G8 was based on the early positive reviews of the Holden, the RWD, the supposed handling and the price. Seeing the vehicle in person changed my mind. It's much too large for me out of the gate.
 
I suppose that would be a hard concept for you to grasp since you apparently feel the brand is the most important factor.
 
No. But knowing it was American I should have been more reasonable in my expectations. I let the hype get me. I'm human and excitement about a car can lull me into believing decades of history might be re-written by one vehicle.
  
I agree they dont need any more BMWs in the fleet but I'm sure they will get one anyway. and I dont say that because the 1 series is "boring".
 
I say it because BMWs have become staid and Buicky. The 1 Series in person is a nice looking car, but given its obscene weight, high price tag and very small market, I don't see the usefulness of longterm test for most readers. Unless people read the tests for a "what-if " scenario, I think Edmunds would be better served with a realistic daily vehicle. The BMW been well represented here - e90 3 series, e46 M3.
 
The WRX and Tiguan (a small SUV that brings nothing new to the table) sound sleep inducing to me though.
 
The Edmunds crew just desposed of the RAV4, so they need another cute-yute in the stable. As the Tiguan is new to the game it seems like it could be interesting and they haven't had a longterm VW car since, I believe, the Passat. The new Rex is interesting given its all-new hatchback form, sporty nature and more refined fit and finish. Subaru is about to release a new Forester and that too could be an interesting vehicle. They have a few Hondas (Accord, Fit, Civic), BMWs, Toyotas (Camry, RAV4), Fords (Edge, GT) and GMs but not a single Scooby or VW. Heck, they even have a Mazda SUV and recently got rid of an MX-5.

"My interest in the G8 was based on the early positive reviews of the Holden, the RWD, the supposed handling and the price. Seeing the vehicle in person changed my mind. It's much too large for me out of the gate. "
 
The specs have been available for months. The Holdens (and thus the G8) are full size cars. I cant imagine how that wasnt apparent from the pictures and specs. Now you say you dont like the car because its large but earlier you indicated you should've known the car was undesirable since its from a US company. What does it's size have to do with GM being a domestic manufacturer?
 
"No. But knowing it was American I should have been more reasonable in my expectations. I let the hype get me. I'm human and excitement about a car can lull me into believing decades of history might be re-written by one vehicle. "
 
whats that have to do with the car being too big? Also you seem to be suggesting the G8 is the first decent domestic car in 40 years or so. No rational person would make such a claim. I'm not going to list recent domestic products that are competent because I'm sure the merits are irrelevant since you dismiss cars produced by a US firm from the gate. Its seems like you want a pat on the back for supposedly considering the G8 but the reality is there was no way it was going to meet your expectations- its a Pontiac afterall. You infer the car is typical domestic crap but list no reasons other than its size which makes no sense because its supposed to be a full size car and thats what we got.
 
the Tiguan is new but its bringing nothing new to the table. Dont see there being much interest in that vehicle. whatever it offers is already available in the Rav4, CR-V, Rogue or Vue. They are simply late to the party and trying to catch up. If edmunds has to get another small ute they should get something different like the Vue hybrid.

CUV:
08 Highlander
08 Pilot (the new one)
It would be good to compare these to the Enclave and CX-9.
 
Sedan:
09 Mazda 6 (the new one)
08 Ford Taurus
 
I'd rather read blogs about cars that the avg consumer could buy then cars only a small % could afford or use

I've always expressed trepidation about the G8's size but seeing it in person drove home that it's absolutely too large for me to ever consider. Why is that so difficult to comprehend? You've never read about something, seen pictures, read the stats and thought it would be great but upon seeing the vehicle in person felt crestfallen? I guess your ability to gauge you emotional response to something in person is much better than mine. In print I cannot judge the quality of anything; I must experience something for my self. Upon my first viewing of the 350z I felt like someone had driven a stake through my heart; in print it looks decent but in person it reminds me of Nell Carter. The G37's utterly lacking in person. The 3 series coupe looked bad in pictures and was more horrific on the exterior than I could have ever dreamed. No amount of research can overcome the reaction of an in-person visit.
 
There's nothing rational about buying a toy (which is what a car is in my eyes). You may find merit in American cars; the G8 on paper struck an emotional cord with me but the reality of the vehicle in person destroyed the illusion.
 
In the press the G8 didn't seem barge-like, cheap, bland and so very American. Even though the G8 was coming through GM I hoped against common sense that it might be a worthy alternative for my next car. We get special pricing through Ford/GM, it had RWD, it appeared to be performance oriented and appeared to be quality...on paper. Wow, RWD, manual, good handling and 30k loaded? Nice deal theoretically.
  
 To my eyes, the Rogue and Tiguan bring something to the party. They're new entries from manufacturers into a field that Edmunds covered before with the RAV4. I'm interested in how the Tiguan and even the Rogue stand up over time. I don't care how the Vue performs as it's not a vehicle I will consider based on seeing the car in person (much like the EX35). I've seen the Rogue and Tiguan in person too. I want to know more about them.

One more choice: The all-new 2009 Subaru Forester, when it arrives this spring!

1 series! Fusion Hybrid! Smart!
 
Reason: I want to drive all those and I can maybe finagle a day in each one.

holland, ditto. Edmunds hasn't had a Subaru in some time.

I agree with some of the others - we definitely should add a couple of the clean diesels to the fleet when they are available.

I hope Edmunds does NOT add the Tiguan to the fleet. It's small, overpriced and is likely to spend plenty of time at the dealers. As far as RAV4 replacement, well I think the Outlander and Edge can handle that job.
 
And please no Subarus. They get way too much coverage on the Straightline blog anyhow, sometimes I think they ought to call it Subaruline. A Subaru Forester would be more or less the same as the Outlander.
 
Another vehicle that I want to vote for is the Jaguar XF. I know it will be pretty expensive, but when was the last time the LT fleet had a Jaguar in it? Plus it seems like a very impressive vehicle.

Tiguan
new TSX
new Mazda6

G8 - will it hold up to its promise?
Blutec - living with a modern diesel

1. Don't bother with the Dodge Grand Caravan get the Chrysler Town & Country Limited with the 4.0 V6 and six-speed.
2. The Smart does not seem to fit with the typically destinations of your staff. Get a Smart loaner when you go to NYC.
3. Get the new 2009 Dodge Ram instead of the new F150. Both appear to be coming in this spring. The 2009 Ram is going to break more of the entrenched pick-up rules.
4. Add the new 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser but without the entrainment system for soccer moms. Then take it on a field trip to Alaska.
5. Try to get the all new 2009 Honda Fit if it is available soon enough.

I haven't read all the previous entires, but here's a vote for the new Mazda3 (it's supposed to come out this summer, right?). I'm somewhat surprised the current generation 3, not even a speed3, never made it into the LT fleet (unless I missed something).
 
Also the Hyundai Genesis, let's see if it really can play in the entry-lux category.

Yay! Someone else added the Genesis in!

" You've never read about something, seen pictures, read the stats and thought it would be great but upon seeing the vehicle in person felt crestfallen? "
 
I've never seen a full size car's specs and then expected it to be small in real life. GM has never hid the car's size from the public. How small did you expect a 197" long car to be in real life? It isnt even close to being small.
 
I don't know much about your illusion being destroyed upon viewing the G8, but I do know that a car that costs $30k with 361hp, RWD, 6 speed auto and plenty of backseat room is something worth paying attention to as far as most enthusiats are concerned. I would think the way the car performs would also be a factor in determining if it's a worthy of admiration. You seem to dislike the styling and thus believe the car is a lost cause. Obviously, you are in the minority here.
 
"Even though the G8 was coming through GM I hoped against common sense that it might be a worthy alternative for my next car. We get special pricing through Ford/GM, it had RWD, it appeared to be performance oriented and appeared to be quality...on paper. Wow, RWD, manual, good handling and 30k loaded? Nice deal theoretically. "
 
so you havent sat in the car or driven it but you have determined based on seeing one from the outside (where did you see it anyway?) that the car is typical American crap. Whatever you say. To say that you had to hope against hope that GM could actually turn out a desiravble car reveals that you are a relic and totally unwilling to acknowledge the current realities of GM's product lineup. Guess you never heard of the CTS, Tahoe/Yukon, Enclave, C6/Z06, Malibu, etc. Hey, maybe one day GM will make a nice car that meets your standards though. I do suggest you move from your 80s "America makes crap" mentality and join us in 2008. Against my better judgement I hoped that you would give credit where it's due and stop this "American cars suck" charade but I see I was expecting too much. You are critical of domestic manufacturers for a supposed unwillingness to change when the reality is they have changed but your outdated views have not. I will say your attitude is perfect for the reality of 25 years ago however.

Consider the Nissan Rogue, or the Infiniti version.

mrnewsguy,
 
There isn't an infiniti version of the rogue. The EX35 is built on the G35's platform while the Rogue is built on the Sentra's platform.
 
mr215,
 
I've never hid my bias. And I'm extremely critical of all cars. So right now, GM does not make a good car in my eyes. But they're not alone...Ford, Mercedes, Mopar, Mitsubishi, Totoya/Lexus, Jag, Range Rover and Nissan fail to make cars I'd consider buying too. Nothing in the their line-ups raise my eyebrows. BMW's got maybe 2 or 3 interesting cars, Acura/Honda a couple, Mazda a few, VW/Audi a few more, Infiniti one, Subaru 2.

daytona 500
 
In defense of all the Subaru posts on Straightline—more specifically WRX and STI posts—as that's been the bulk of the posting, those are popular cars with many gearheads. That's what readers of Straightline and Karl's blog is made up of.
 
Yeah, I'm a Subie guy, and as such, probably find more news on that brand than other automotive editors. I post on them when I think it's newsworthy and/or relevant, which can be often because there is a lot of news on them.
 
The same can be said of the Nissan GT-R, EVO and the new Corvette ZR1. There's been a lot of blogs on Straightline on those vehicles as well, but again, there's a lot of interest on them.

bdc,
 
Thanks for clearing that up. YOu dont like cars in general. That makes much more sense. Maybe you should get into motorcycles since you dont like more than 8 cars in the entire industry. I can only imagine what VW and Honda models you find interesting. Your definition of interesting is obviously different than mine because I can't name two interesting cars between the both of them. Aside from the civic Si (which is barely exciting) I cant see anything at a Honda dealership that would raise my pulse.

bluedotcom- GM does not make any good cars? wow, that's quite a statement. Since you favor lightweight vehicles, perhaps the new $2500 Tata would interest you. I'm sure it can't weigh more than 2000 lbs.

215, I love cars. Can't get enough of thrill of the hunt when it comes time to buy one or help someone buy a car. But my love for cars is based on the promise a car offers. I expect a lot and grade on cars on the same scale. And I'm sure my scale is far different from your own and 98% of the people here.
 
BTW, Honda has the S2000. ;)

Cars
2009 Hyundai Genesis (the V8)
2008 Cadillac CTS
2009 Audi S5
2008 Chevy Malibu (the V6)
2009 Jaguar XF
 
SUVs'
2008 Infiniti EX
2009 BMW X6 (I am not sure when it goes on sale)
Any of the new Toyota SUVs'
2009 Dodge Journey
2008 Chrysler T&C

"BTW, Honda has the S2000. ;)"
 
forgot about that car since no one buys it. But I guess Honda does still make it. OK, you have that the Si and the Accord coupe. Thats about it at the Honda store.
 
Its pretty obvious your scale is different from the rest of us, lets just hope Edmunds uses the criteria of the masses when choosing long term fleet vehicles.

My push was for mass appeal cars... I pointed to Hondas, VWs, Subarus and Fords. I made of point of saying no to two mass brands: BMW and Pontiac. BMW gets far too much obsequious press coverage. I'd hardly call Honda or Ford outsiders though. And considering VW is among the largest brands in the world it's not really out of left field. :).

Hey Karl,
 
How about a low-tech test for those who want to save gas but don't want to get a hybrid? Why not select a couple of long term vehicles with a smaller engine option? How about an F150 with a six-cylinder? What is the real world experience of driving with a little less power? Is it bearable in daily driving duties, and what are the real-world gas savings?

As a Toyota(Camry sludge factory) owner, and a Honda(transmission failure, rattles, no start, sliding doors falling off Odyssey) I would hardley call anything from these two makers worthy of anything anymore. I'm ready for a Chevorlet Malibu and Chrysler Town and Country. Long termers please!

"How about an F150 with a six-cylinder?"
 
Two words: Yee-ikes! That truck got heavy during the 2004 redesign, making even the standard 4.6-liter V8 a non-negotiable configuration (the optional 5.4-liter barely got the job done). I simply can't imagine that truck with a six-cyclinder.

From a purely self-interested perspective:
 
2008 Volvo C30
2008 Subaru WRX 5-door
2008 Infiniti EX35

Malibu LTZ. I have one and love it, and would be interested in seeing how is compares to the Accord in your eyes.

Dodge Challenger (place your bid now please)

I know I'm a little late, but here are my suggestions:
 
cars:
Ford Focus
Honda FCX Clarity
Hyundai Genesis
Infiniti M35
Lincoln MKS
Pontiac G8
Saturn Astra
 
SUVs:
Ford Flex
Infiniti EX35
Land Rover LR2
Nissan Rogue
 
truck:
Dodge Ram

Pontiac G8, Saturn Astra
 
Lets face it, the other cars don't need a long-term review. The people buying them are sold on them.
 
The domestic cars NEED to be in your fleet because that is what keeps coming up in reviews, "Great car, better than the imports but I don't know how reliable it will be."
 
I think the domestics deserve a shot at long term test exposure to see if the improvements are more than skin deep.

So, Karl - have you decided on YOUR list?
[[ The only list that really matters here.... ]]
- Ray

I'm very late...oh well!
 
Hyundai Elantra
Ford Focus
Toyota Corolla (2009)
Saturn Astra
Mazda 5
Chrysler 300C
Volvo C30
Mercury Sable

You all need to get one of GM's Two-Mode hybrids in there somewhere and somehow.
 
I know you all just had the Tahoe, so I would suggest the Yukon or Escalade--although I am afraid you all will get distracted by the latter, and focus on the extravagance and not the mileage.
 
A Yukon Hybrid (or Vue) would be greatly appreciated not to mention a good choice. This is the first application of a hybrid to something so big, and we need to see if it works.

The BMW 1 series is a no-brainer!
 
Why not get the new Dodge Ram instead of the F-150. Its got the unusual coil spring suspension. The F-150 seems to be nothing new particularly.

Ford Fusion Hybrid (See how well Ford does with hybrids)
 
Honda FCX (fuel cell car - certainly worth putting one through it's paces to see how it fares long-term)
 
Saturn Astra (European favorite comes to america with the hopes of an entire brand on it's back)
 
Hyundai Genesis (How well can Hyundai do luxury?)
 
Ford Flex - (or not)
 
Smart Four-Two Passion coupe (dinky little thing with no power, I just want to torture the edmunds.com staff with this iconic, if underpowered vehicle)
 
Opt for the Passion coupe, not cabriolet.
 
And please, post some more Lancer GTS entries 'eh?

G8 in in...
What do I win???
 
http://66.160.188.111/roadtests/1916?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3.*&cert=257.L9Ihca67fbY

How about some diesel? Maybe a Jetta TDI? You've already got the natural gas car and are considering the FCX but how about the alternative to gasoline that's available to almost everyone?
 
Plus it'll be test to see if the new emissions standards have negatively effected the performance.