Talk Back Tuesday: Who Says the System Doesn't Work?

There are those folks out there, cynical types mostly, who think the system doesn't work. They feel like the government and the police have gone too far in the direction of "revenue generation" and lost sight of other, basic goals -- like public safety and prosecuting real criminals.
Well these people obviously weren't in Malibu this past Sunday, where a battery of police vehicles (cars, motorcycles and even a big RV with "CHP" painted on the side) were stopping every car and motorcyclist on Mulholland just west of The Rock Store. Yes, every motorist that passed -- at least until their ability to process folks was maxxed out, then they'd let a few vehicles slip by until the next slot in their mobile prosecution center opened up. Your speed didn't matter, nor the operating condition of your bike or car (though they were gunning people as they came up the hill, so if they could get you for speed they would).
If you're the squemish type you might have thought the barking orders from annoyed officers -- "Pull over! Where's your license and registration?!" -- was a bit disturbing. And maybe seeing some guys (like the ones who pulled over because their riding buddies had been stopped) yelled at and told, "Hey! If you weren't directed to pull over don't pull over!" would disturb you if you were one of those alarmist, paranoid "Police State" kooks. Just try to forget that this particular stretch of road is normally a scenic lookout and, at least once upon a time, was originally set up to encourage people to pull over and enjoy the view in this rural setting.
But not me. I simply did as I was told and thanked the officers for showing me the error of my ways. Imagine, riding a motorcycle, at the posted speed limit, along a mountain road in scenic Malibu -- I'm such a nut! According to the police this is the result of numerous complaints from local citizens about excessive speed on these canyon roads. The revenue generated by the "No Front Plate" (on cars) or "No Mirrors" (on motorcycles) or the speeders popped as they came up the hill (I never saw anyone busted for that last offense...) was not a driving factor according to him. When I followed up with a question about whether or not the operation was a money loser for the state...well...he admitted it wasn't. But I'm sure someone's heart -- somewhere -- is in the right place. If the state happens to rake in some major cash that's just an unfortunate side effect.
Me? I enjoyed my final visit to The Rock Store and my final ride on Mulholland west of Cornell Drive. I've already moved my family and residence out of L.A. County, now I can assure my recreational activity steers clear as well. The rural roads are just as plentiful -- and picturesque -- heading north from my house, and far fewer cars are painted black-and-white in that direction. Yes, the random speed traps exist up there like they do everywhere else, but I've never seen a parade of patrol cars and motorcycles, along with a police-badged recreational vehicle, parked along a major thoroughfare to stop every motorist that passes.
If more motorcyclists follow my lead it could mean the Malibu Millionaires in their Mulholland McMansions will no longer have the indignity of seeing/hearing two-wheeled vehicles. And it means I (and probably lots of others) will no longer spend my time or energy (or money) in the city of Malibu. And think of all those upstanding Malibu residents (like Mel Gibson, for instance) who will be spared this "bad element" in their pure and wholesome city. Really, everyone wins when you think about it (except maybe those pesky business owners at The Rock Store, and maybe some of the other restaurants and gas stations, but history suggests that hurting the small business owner is always a good move).
I say the system is working perfectly. What say you?
Posted by Karl Jul 24, 2007 6:00 am
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Categories: Talk Back Tuesday | Driving | Traffic Safety | Motorcycles
clace
- Jul 24, 2007 8:53 am
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A speed trap on a hill? Surely you jest!
I'm suprised they didn't throw a construction sign 10 feet from the trap so they could double the fine like they do here in ohio!
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clace
- Jul 24, 2007 8:54 am
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BTW
I'm sure most of us appreciate someone with enough cojones to beat the anti revenue drum!!
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We see a cop and don't think "phew, I'm safe," we think "oh crap, what do they want from me?"
Those powerful local citizens see cops as tools to carry out their bidding that they're so obviously entitled to.
That's how it worked in the dictatorships my parents grew up in - good thing I live in America!
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Yes, they stopped EVERY motorist (car or motorcycle) that went by unless they were already "full" in terms of having an officer to closely inspect each vehicle and write a citation (and there were about 10 officers doing exactly that, one after the other, like an assembly line).
And if you stopped when they didn't direct you to stop, they yelled at you to "Move along!" Again, this is a public road with a specific "Scenic Overlook" designation (sign and everything) as well as a designated pull-off area...which was full of police vehicles.
What was most troubling for me was the decision to take what has long been a popular recreational/scenic road, that cars and motorcyles have enjoyed for years, and make everyone on it feel like a criminal. I know the cops do stings to get street racers and drug traffickers and the like, but those are patently illegal activities. Riding a motorcycle, or driving a car, on Mulholland on a sunny Sunday morning is not.
All kidding/sarcasm aside (there was a bit of that in my original post), it was simply very disturbing to see this in action. If 10% of the motorcyclists who ride Mulholland are squids (going double the limit, passing cars on the double yellow, pushing their bikes to redline before each upshift) then I'm all for getting THAT TROUBLESOME MINORITY. But to attack everyone on the road, regardless of driving behavior...
I guess it's sort of like when the cops "shut down" cruising areas, which they've done for years on streets like Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles, Colfax in Denver or Woodward in Detroit. The difference is, those are otherwise normal roads that motorists have turned into cruising spots through planned social gatherings.
But the entire point of Mulholland Drive is to drive along it and enjoy the scenery with no particular place to go. It's not like there are businesses lining the road that the "cruising" disrupts (an argument that, at least theoretically, can be made against cruising Sunset or Woodward or Colfax). Basically, the Malibu cops are saying, "We don't want people to drive through Malibu and enjoy the scenery anymore."
Of course my response, as I stated above, is "Okay guys, you got it."
I can decide that Malibu is no longer on my list of riding routes...but is it just me or does there seem to be a scary element to this and a slippery slope with a sinister end point?
Actually, make that a sheer canyon cliff with jagged rocks at the bottom.
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It's only going to work if you organize boycotts of Malibu throughout as much of the internet as you can.
Or better yet, organize a gigantic drive-through-Malibu-and-buy-nothing day. I'd be happy to post on all the forums I know...
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"Further fuel for my civil disobedience plan of everyone simply not speeding for a year. We can simply bleed them dry."
I love this idea. But the problem is that they will merely make stuff up. 20/20 did a whole special on this in Louisiana on I-10 a few years back.
These cops were not interested in writing tickets as much as harassing motorists. They used to do it in Malibu when I lived there in the Mid-90's but it appears it has gotten a lot worse.
Karl was this particular point anywhere near Kanan Canyon Road. They used to be bad up there on the "scenic" route as well.?
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Just to try and show the other side...
Anyone here ever live on a hill that's popular with bikers? My brother used to and I thought it was cool at first to watch the bikes go by but after a while the noise drove us nuts. I'd be willing to bet a lot of those bikes have loud aftermarkets mufflers too (just like here).
I'm not really defending the cops here, if poor people lived on that hill they would never bother with a big road block.
I do understand why the residents would tire of people using their neighbour as a racetrack though.
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iskch
- Jul 24, 2007 12:15 pm
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If the Police is doing this on people with no helmet, checking registration or some sort of speed trap is fine with me. But at daylight with no reason all I can say is they are looking to fill the county piggy bank.
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If the residents have problems with the noise, why not simply talk to city officials to solve the problems by legislation, alternative routes, etc? Using the police to bully people is not the answer....
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jriz
- Jul 24, 2007 2:36 pm
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I lived in Malibu for 4 years going to Pepperdine and it really is a speed trap disguised as a town. I saw more police in a week in Malibu than I do in a week now living in the heart of Los Angeles south of Hollywood.
I twice got pulled over on PCH going 62 in a 45 after 1 a.m. with nobody on the road. Once a cop driving a Tahoe did a U-Turn in the middle of PCH to pull me over -- an action far more dangerous than what I was doing. I absolutely agree with the sentiment that it's sad we look at police with disdain rather than security and gratitude.
On another hand, having lived in Malibu, I also know how iritating motorcycles can be -- both in terms of noise and driving hazard. It in no way warrants what the police was doing, but Malibu's snooty, isolationist residents do have some reason to complain.
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I've never been to Malibu and it is not on my list of places to visit.
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aspade
- Jul 24, 2007 7:14 pm
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Many people seem to feel that neighborhood roads should be treated as their own private driveways. They want ridiculously low speed limits and speed bumps every 100 feet so their kids can play in the street. They want a cop on duty 24/7 to harass and ticket anyone who doesn't live there.
And the richer the neighborhood, the further out this sense of propriety extends and the more of these things they want they actually get.
Malibu is pretty rich.
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"Many people seem to feel that neighborhood roads should be treated as their own private driveways. They want ridiculously low speed limits and speed bumps every 100 feet so their kids can play in the street. They want a cop on duty 24/7 to harass and ticket anyone who doesn't live there."
This is so true. Let me make this point once again: Roads are for cars, not people! Freakin' traffic calming...
I've noticed something that sorta confirms this. You ever follow someone who is driving too slow, next they start going even slower (not just to make the turn, slower for a notable distance, maybe a half mile), and then they turn into their driveway? Most people seem to drive slower near their house, the most familiar road to them.
Just so I have this straight Karl, the CHP pulled over everyone they possibly could, AND THEN figured out what they were going to write them up for, and made things up or got ridiculous/creative with violations if they had to? Were you pulled over and ticketed?
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If you think its bad in California, check out the recent batch of laws passed here in Virginia, specifically for the purpose of revenue generation, and applicable only to Virginia residents....
$2250 aditional penalty for first time drunk driving (+normal fees, tickets, etc)
$1050 aditional fees for reckless driving (20mph+)
$900 aditional fee for driving w/o a license
"We wish motorists didn't have to pay more, but the fact is Virginia's transportation trust fund is broke," Anderson says
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I've been following the VA news, fortunately people ARE getting mad.
One of the proponents runs a law firm that deals with traffic tickets. Hmm...
And he was quoted as saying that if they had another way of raising $65MM for the state, they'd repeal the law. The article I read also stated that a one cent per gallon gas tax hike would raise $50MM a year. Hmm...
Washington Post article
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"Just so I have this straight Karl, the CHP pulled over everyone they possibly could, AND THEN figured out what they were going to write them up for?"
Yes
"...and made things up or got ridiculous/creative with violations if they had to?"
I don't know this for sure. I think if you didn't speed as you approached the mobile processing center, and then they pulled you over anyway and you had valid tags, valid proof of insurance and no obvious vehicle deficiencies they let you go...I think.
"Were you pulled over and ticketed?"
Yes, they got me for "No Mirrors" and "Not displaying a license plate." My California plate was in the cargo storage under my seat, and my registration and insurance were in order, but this was my first ride on this bike (it just arrived from Vermont last week) and I hadn't pulled the Euro tag and mounted the California tag yet because I wasn't sure exactly how to remove the Euro tag (it had a weird, Euro chrome fastener that I didn't want to damage because it looked cool/expensive).
Why does the bike have a Euro tag? Because it was originally sold in England. Actually, it was originally sold as a police bike in Saudi Arabia. Long story; I'll do a full post on my latest toy this week. Bottom line -- it's essentially a 20-year-old museum piece with 3,600 miles on it (also why it has no mirrors), and it will very likely end up in my living room on display, with hardly any miles being added to it on an annual basis. But I thought one ride to The Rock Store before I consign it to in-house display duty would be fun. Obviously I was wrong...
BUT, I made sure I had "all my papers in order" and in possession so that, even if I got pulled over on my ride, the cops would see that the bike was legally mine, fully insured and fully registered. I of course was thinking in terms of a random officer who sees me and decides to investigate the Euro tag. Over 95% of the time an officer in this situation is going to confirm there's "no funny business" going on and let you off with a warning at worst. Obviously I wasn't planning on running into a Gestapo-like processing center that was stopping everyone and writing up anything they could find.
The good news is that both are "fix-it" tickets, and it only took me about 10 minutes to mount the CA tag once I got serious about doing it. A $5 mirror bolted on, a trip to my local CHP office for a sign-off on the ticket, and I'm done. It's not a moving violation so no chance of insurance hikes.
However, there apparently is an $18 processing fee, so the state still did better than $1 a minute in the 15 minutes they spent writing me up...
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Thanks for the clarification. That sucks. Glad to hear they didn't rape you too badly though. A friend of mine told a pretty scary story today about an enforcement incident on his crotch rocket. Yes he was traveling at speeds well into the hundreds (on a nice divided highway), but does that warrant the threats he endured? I think not. Criminalizing average citizens... This is going to reach a breaking point in the next 5 years I think, I hope. Looking forward to the bike write up!
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how is it possibly legal to stop every vehicle and then find a violation? isn't there some sort of legal action you can take against the CHP for such an unjust and probably illegal roadblock? btw, i just drove home from sacramento (to seattle) and had no problem with the CHP.
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Don't have the anti- drinking and driving roadblocks? Every holiday we have them set up in all kinds of sneaky locations.
They pull over everyone, ask you where you been and are going (chance to smell your breath and see if you can talk straight) and if they are happy they send you on your way.
They also use the opportunity to ticket for seatbelts and warnings forlights and broken windsheids.
I can't really understand why everyone here is bent of you shape over it. If you not doing anything wrong, why would you care?
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I care because this wasn't a late-night street-racing scene, or a holiday weekend hot spot likely full of drunk drivers, or even a wide-open stretch of highway with likely speeders (though on that last one most of those people aren't actually "hurting" anyone or anything, either). This was Mulholland on a Sunday morning at a scenic lookout where lots of people (kooky as they are) tend to ride motorcycles and/or drive cars to enjoy the scenery. Most of the people they stopped had done nothing wrong, they were just doing what they do on Sunday mornings and what they've been doing for years (at that was the situation for me).
As I said, the message seemed to be "You're not supposed to use this scenic stretch of road for driving and enjoying the scenery anymore."
Maybe I'm not supposed to be offended by that attitude from the local police force...but once I think about it for a second really I find myself very offended (and bent out of shape).
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