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2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6

October 1, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Is It Really Better Than the Accord?

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Of course, the answer is yes. By a lot. As soon as I got into our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT, I was immediately reacquainted with all the reasons someone might want to own something more fun than a front-drive, midsize sedan. The G8 feels much quicker (because it is) and throttle response is much more aggressive. And you can tell the chassis is something special, even just driving around town.

But then I had two more thoughts.

1. The G8's steering wheel is way too big, and the shape of the rim makes for a slightly awkward grip at nine-and-three. The Accord's smaller steering wheel is actually much more natural to hold at this position.

2. The brake pedal travel is too long, and response is way too soft at the top of the travel. Even around town, I was annoyed. And remember, I'm coming out of the Accord, which doesn't exactly set the standard for brake pedal feel or braking performance.

Both of these complaints could and should be addressed in a mid-cycle update of the Pontiac G8.

Erin Riches, Inside Line Senior Editor @ 10,560 miles

September 30, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Taking the Old Road Back from San Francisco

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I drove up our long-term 2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6 up to Napa, CA on Sunday -- and unfortunately not for the usual, winery-touring reasons. When it was time to come home yesterday afternoon, I knew I couldn't squander another lovely fall day on the I-780, I-680 and I-580. So I picked my way though mid-afternoon San Francisco traffic to California Highway 35, aka Skyline Boulevard.

Although there are a lot of cool, gnarly little roads branching off Skyline (which does have a view of the Silicon Valley skyline), the boulevard itself is only moderately curvy, which was ideal for our '08 Accord, which has taken some criticism for its size (extra large).

I really enjoyed the drive. Within the limits imposed by the all-season tires, the chassis feels good -- stiff, balanced, predictable. The steering provides some feedback (and you get some through the driver seat as well) and it feels quite accurate: Getting the Accord set up for corners is quite easy.

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September 26, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: It's a Big Deal

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There's something that just doesn't make sense about our Long Term Accord. It has tons of tech - satellite radio, Bluetooth, navigation, CD changer and voice commands for lots of features. It even has a calculator and a unit converter (pictured) for distance, temperature and automotive measurements. However, it does not have real time traffic on the nav screen - NOT GOOD.

It just doesn't make sense; everything is already in place - XM radio and a nav screen. I need Nav Traffic A LOT more than I need a unit converter. Acuras have the feature, this loaded Accord should too.

Brian Moody, Road Test Editor @ 18,000 miles

September 24, 2008

The Big List of Fuel Economy

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I was thinking the other day (always a dangerous proposition, I know) and wondering how all the current (or really, really recently departed) Edmunds/Inside Line long-term vehicles stack up against each other in fuel economy, at least the fuel economy we've been recording during their time with us. So I made a list. For you and for me. In case we were both wondering.

The only current vehicles missing from my list are the Audi R8 and the Dodge Grand Caravan, and that's because no one has entered any fuel data into the tracking spreadsheet for those vehicles yet. The very top and the very bottom of the list aren't going to surprise anybody (I don't think), but the middle is kinda interesting. Seeing the Rondo and the WRX so close to each other made me raise my eyebrows. Ditto the Ford GT's spot above the Veracruz. Ready to check it all out? Follow the jump with me.

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September 15, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Missing Mojo

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So I had our long-term Honda Accord EX-L V6 over the weekend, and it got me to thinking: Since when did the Accord become an also-ran?

I grew up on Accords -- my parents had a '94 EX and a '98 LX -- and back then, the Accord was clearly the family sedan to have if you liked to drive (save perhaps for the Nissan Maxima SE). A decade later, the Accord ranks a distant fourth in the fun-to-drive category, by my count, trailing the Altima, Mazda 6 and Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan, in that order. Shoot, if the Hyundai Sonata SE had less novocain in its steering, the Accord would fall to fifth.

One might suspect that the Accord has compensated for its loss of sportiness by morphing into a Camry clone. But it hasn't. It's still got a flinty ride over broken pavement, and there's still more road noise than I'd like. As for our long-termer's V6, it's a fuel-swilling laggard (21.1 mpg lifetime average vs. Camry's 24.9, 0-60 in 7.5 seconds) that pales in comparison to the Camry's sublime six.

Unlike some of my colleagues, I love the seats -- wish I could take 'em with me from car to car. And the steering feel is above-average (though I'd take the Altima's spot-on rack in a heartbeat). But other than that, I think the only advantage the Accord enjoys anymore is its reputation for reliability. 

Am I imagining things, or has this car lost its mojo?

Josh Sadlier, Associate Editor, Edmunds.com @ 17,583 miles

September 10, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Rattling Deck Panel

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I've noticed recently that when driving our long-term 2008 Honda Accord over broken or rough pavement, a buzzy rattle would crop up. It would go quiet when the road smoothed out.

A brief investigation this morning revealed that the large plastic panel behind the rear headrests is the culprit.

Any other Accord drivers experiencing this?

Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor @ 17,649 miles.

 

September 8, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Fuel Economy Update

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Like fast-food portions and the people who live on them, the Honda Accord has grown larger over the years. No longer the trim midsize gal she once was, the Accord has blossomed into a full-size momma with a big trunk and certain inescapable needs at the fuel pump. And there's no shame in that, folks.

Here's a look at the latest mileage figures:

Best Fuel Economy: 28.7 mpg
Worst Fuel Economy: 14.5 mpg
Average Fuel Economy: 21.1 mpg

Thus far, our average falls just short of the EPA's combined estimate of 22 mpg.

The Accord's mileage to date trails that of our Toyota Camry, which logged an average fuel economy of 24.9 mpg when its test drew to a close last year. Our Camry real-world numbers  were more impressive than its EPA estimate of 23 mpg combined.

Keep in mind, though, that the Camry's experience with us was somewhat different from the Accord's -- the Toyota  spent four months in Michigan under the care of a single editor.

Warren Clarke, Automotive Content Editor @17,360 miles


August 27, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: How About a Civic V6 Instead?

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"Man this is a big car."

Every time I pull our long-term Honda Accord into my nightly parking space, I seem to utter, or at least think these words. True enough, the Accord I drove home last night is literally a vast departure from the 1991 Accord EX-R my father drove home every night from '90-'94. This is also a point that countless readers have mentioned about this latest Accord, damning it for moving away from its roots.

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August 20, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Laser Focus

I, like most other folks, am a complete Olympics freak. I had just been on a week long trip back East and had missed a lot of the competitions. This past weekend was my chance to check them out on a sustained basis.

I got the keys for the Accord and made a b-line for my house. Thankfully I only live and mile and a half from the office so I didn't miss much. I fully admit it, I wanted to see anything. I watched Ping Pong Table Tennis for hours. Don't knock it, it was the only games on at the moment and I didn't care. An American was playing and I was into it.

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The Accord remained parked for the weekend. It was only when I had to come back on Monday morning that I had touched it again. Immediately I noticed that center dash. Wow! What a mess of buttons! Nothing like our Fit. Granted the Fit was an econo box, but it's a great example of clean and efficient.

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Things don't have to be complicated to be good. I'd rather have function over form any day.

Scott Jacobs, Senior Photographer

August 4, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L: Fuel Range

 

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I noticed recently how we've occasionally racked up a fair number of miles between fill-ups in the Accord. Credit goes to the better-than-average highway fuel economy for a 2008 V6 family sedan (EPA: 29 mpg) and a fuel tank capacity of 18.5 gallons. (Coincidentally, our Toyota Camry, another long-termer I recall having a big fuel range, also had an 18.5-gallon tank.)

According to the Accord's fuel log, Senior Editor Bryn MacKinnon is our marathon driver so far -- she went 402 miles before filling up on 15.99 gallons of gas during her trip to San Francisco last month

Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor @ 15,792 miles

August 1, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Backup Camera?

 

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 I guess I got a bit spoiled driving our long-term 2007 Nissan Altima -- it had a backup camera. This might seem like a gimmicky feature to have, but today's newer sedans, with their thick C-pillars and high rear decks, can have rear visibility just as poor as a crossover SUV's. A backup camera can be a nice addition.

IMG_6788.JPGOur 2008 Honda Accord EX-L is fully loaded with features, but a backup camera isn't offered. Presumably, it wouldn't have cost Honda much more to add one when it redesigned the Accord?

Score one for the Altima.

 

Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor

July 28, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L: Easy Driver

 

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As cool as it is to impress the neighbors with the G8's smoky burnouts or attack a mountain road in the WRX STi for an early morning drive, sometimes it's nice to get into a car that doesn't require much mental effort. Our long-term Honda Accord is just such a car.

It's roomy. It's comfortable (the recent seat entry notwithstanding). Everything from the controls to the engine operate with a smooth fluidity. And in terms of entertainment, it has all I'd ever want thanks to a very nice audio system with satellite radio and an auxiliary audio input.

Other than the mild annoyance created by the fiddly center-stack controls, this is a car that you can just put in "Drive" and go. And so far, we've logged more than 15,000 miles without any unexpected reliability issues.

Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor @ 15,675 miles

July 24, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Family Road Trippin'

peasoupanderson2.jpgThe Accord chills in the shade in front of the iconic windmill and "comic foreground" photo-op of two guys splitting peas at Pea Soup Anderson's restaurant in Santa Nella.

Took our long-term Honda Accord to the San Francisco Bay Area recently for a joint family trip/bachelorette party. Though I had a bevy of long-term crossovers at my disposal, I decided our small family (two adults, one toddler) could probably manage with a sedan, so I went with the Accord. For the most part, it worked out fine, but it wasn't the perfect I-5 road trip vehicle we had been hoping for.

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July 7, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Dino Leather Seats

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I thought the 2008 Honda Accord sedan would be a good car to take home over the long Fourth of July holiday weekend. Not too big, not too small--it should work out just fine for any trip we might decide to take.

Within 5 minutes of leaving the office, however, I knew we weren't going anywhere. Pitch the tent in the back yard, kids: we're going to have a "staycation" at home.

Those leather seats might look inviting, but they're as hard as a rock--or so said my buttometer. The cushion had no give, the seams clawed at the pockets of my jeans, and no amount of adjustment would make it go away. I couldn't get out fast enough.

350 t-rex.jpg Just call me Mega-sore-a**.

Without saying anything to my wife, we went to dinner. She's 8 inches shorter than me; maybe these seats are better-suited to those of  shorter stature.

No such luck. Before she even buckled her belt she was fishing for a non-existent lumbar adjustment (only the driver gets one) to relieve what she termed, "the basketball in my back."

Based on this, I'd have to pass on the leather. The cloth seats are liable to lack the drum-tight surface tension of these leather ones, resulting in more cush for the tush. Sucks that the front passenger doesn't get a lumbar adjustment, though. Last time I checked, all of the folks who've ridden shotgun with me had a spine. It's practically a prerequisite.

Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing @ 14,228 miles

June 27, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: ECOnnoying

Shh, there, in the tachometer, look! The elusive ECO light. Rarely seen and virtually impossible to photograph, the ECO light signifies that the V6's Cylinders have been Variably Managed. It's supposed to save gas or prove how great their engineers are or something like that, but in reality, it's just annoying.

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June 3, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: You're Fired!

Just kidding. Actually, you're taking me and J-Riz to Trump National Golf Club in Palos Verdes. We got word last week that a couple spots had opened up in Monday's 19th annual L.A. Automotive Open scramble tournament (benefiting the National Jewish Medical and Research Center), and one look at the pictures on Trump National's website convinced us that it would be well worth the vacation day.

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May 29, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: The Police

I headed over to the Hollywood Bowl last night in the Accord to see The Police. I saw them perform a few times in the ‘80s (I was in kindergarten then) when the lads in the band had a lot more energy. Maybe I’ve been listening to way too much DMX and TI, and maybe it’s due to the band being in the twilight of its career, but during last night’s performance, I repeatedly thought, “Wow - another VH1 version of a great song.” By VH1 I mean: just OK, not quite lame. I had a similar experience driving the Accord...

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May 28, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Maintenance Required

As our long-term Honda Accord sat in line, waiting  to enter the 10 freeway yesterday evening, bing the little glowing orange wrench illuminated and the odometer trip display was replaced with "Oil Life 15%."

Looks like we'll be heading for service soon.

Kelly Toepke, News Editor @ 12,902 miles

May 12, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Now It Feels Big



Over the weekend I had to park our 2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6 in one of those really tight parking garages -- the kind where if a couple cars aren't pulled in straight, the space between them is useless unless you have a Mini or Smart. It was then that I realized just how big the Accord now is. "That won't fit, that won't fit," I murmured to myself as I drove down the aisles. Then, I watched a 1st-gen Sienna pull out of this spot and was determined to make it work. The Accord just fit, and I folded in the mirrors to give my neighbors a few extra inches.

Later, though, while loading items into the trunk, I looked in the backseat and couldn't believe how much room there was.

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May 9, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Accord Seat Discord



This was my first time in the 2008 Honda Accord sedan, and it was generally what I expected.  Simple, functional, not-so-flashy, not-so-sporty.

The ride was smooth enough but I kept wanting a little something from the engine for passing, etc. that it was never able to deliver.  It isn't gravely underpowered but it would be nice to have a little more back-up the times I needed it.  It is a V6.

I was more excited about the interior, which I think manages to keep things simple while looking  pretty stylish.  The controls are a bit too clustered together to the point of confusing, but once you get used to it, the center console is very easy to navigate...

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May 1, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Wheel Worries.


Pictured is the right-front wheel of our long-term Honda Accord. Please note the wheel curbing near the top of the photo. While I'm not sure who did it, it's pretty clear how it happened. It's equally clear that it's going to happen again and again and again...

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April 28, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Fuel Economy Update

Three months and 4,200 miles have passed since we last updated our long-term Honda Accord’s fuel log. High time we gave you the digits, no?

Our lifetime average is 21.1 mpg, so we’re still not quite hitting the EPA’s estimate of 22 mpg for combined driving, despite my husband’s determination to keep the green ECO dash light lit during a stint behind the wheel this weekend.

Our best tanks are generally in the mid 20s, worst tanks drop into the 16-17 range...

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April 21, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Maybe It's A Tumor



"It’s NOT a TOO-mah!"

Well, alright. But how else to explain the protruding headlights on the current-gen Accord? Does anyone think this was a good stylistic move? I grimace every time I see an Accord from this angle...

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April 8, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Midsize Excellence, But Hold the "L" and the V6



I get a lot of satisfaction out of driving our 2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6. Partly, this is because its personality and cabin layout bear many similarities to the previous Accord, which I also liked. My favorite detail is the amazing feeling of spaciousness when you're seated in the cockpit -- something that no other manufacturer has quite managed to copy over the years.

Larger physical dimensions undoubtedly help out the current-gen Accord in this regard, but all that extra weight shouldn't be good for the driving experience...

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April 7, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6 - Question

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This weekend, I refueled the Honda Accord and it cost more than $52 even though it had a quarter tank of gas. Yikes. And that's nothing compared to what it costs to fill up an SUV.

So, I have some questions for you:

How are you coping with the sky high price of gasoline?..

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April 2, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Less Lumbar, Jack

Honda Accord's seats -- Photo by James Riswick

For the most part, I'm a fan of the Honda Accord's seats and the driving position. I find the leather-wrapped front buckets supportive in both aggressive driving and generally comfy over long distances. However, if I'm going to nitpick, there's just too much upper lumbar. Every time I get into the car and set my seat just right, I press the lumbar button but it deflates only the seat's lower portion. Although the set-up produces proper posture, it takes a while for me to get used to it -- which I eventually do, since I forgot about it during several long-distance journeys in the Accord...

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March 17, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Clear Display

A pet peeve of mine, automotively speaking, is when a vital display washes out.  In this case "vital" being the display for the XM satellite radio info.  Driving into work this a.m., as I crept along the freeway at 10-20 mph, I flicked through a few of the "decades" radio stations and couldn't see the upper half of the display that shows song title, artist, etc.  I soon discovered that there was an easy solution....

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March 10, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Fast Love

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There was one moment this weekend that was emblematic of what I like best about our Honda Accord.

I was waiting to make a right turn that would take me east on Olympic Boulevard. Coming at me from the west of said boulevard was a phalanx of cars, bearing down with the speed and urgency of fighter jets. I had a choice to make...

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March 3, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: zaPOW! zaBAM! Zagat!


Our long-term Honda Accord’s optional nav system comes loaded with Zagat Survey ratings and reviews for a whole lotta restaurants in the major cities of the United States. It’s a neat bonus for those times when you’re cruising around a new city (or just an area of your hometown you’re not familiar with) and you’re hit with a sudden barbecue craving (or Italian food or Mexican food or Asian Fusion or vegan or what-have-you).

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February 26, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Good Car for Big Boys

When my neighbor came to my door to talk about the 2008 Honda Accord EX-L he filled the entire doorframe. My son thinks he looks a bit like the Newman character in "Seinfeld." He's actually a larger version of Newman, much taller and an extremely friendly guy.

"I want that car!" he said, pointing to our long term Honda Accord. "I want that exact car!" (He has a tendancy to say everything at least twice.)

"I thought you were driving that Caddy," I answered, referring to a brand new CTS I'd seen him in...

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February 8, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Tap Test 2 (and 3!)

Honda Accord EX-L V6 Interior -- Photo by Scott Jacobs

You asked for it and I delivered. After I threw up a video blog regarding the Aura's perceived quality featuring the age-old "tap test," quite a few people demanded I do the same for the Accord. Well, I did, and I also did the same test for a Ford Fusion SEL we happen to have at the moment. Sound and light quality differ in the three videos, but I think you can detect the differences. For the record, the more of a "thump" sound they make rather than a "thwack" the better.

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January 28, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Button Parade

Honda Accord Center Stack by Warren Clarke

When I first took a look at the Accord's center stack, I felt as if I'd clambered aboard the USS Enterprise, with no Mr. Sulu in sight to help me work the controls. Buttons, buttons and more buttons. A button parade...

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January 24, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Fuel Economy Update

The suspense surrounding our long-term Honda Accord’s fuel economy has been building since we last reported figures, nearly 2,300 miles ago. We’re ready to admit that we’ve hit the outer limits of everyone’s pins-and-needles tolerance. So rest your frazzled nerves. We won’t make you wait any longer...

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January 22, 2008

2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6: Busted

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On my way home Friday, I got a speeding ticket in the Accord. I wasn't really driving very fast but I was in a residential zone and so I was flagged.

It's easy to drive over the limit in the Accord without realizing it. It's so quiet and comfortable and smooth on the road, that you don't get a sense of how fast you are really going...

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January 21, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Big Kid On The Block

2008 Honda Accord -- Brent Romans

The day an automaker redesigns a midsize family sedan and declares it to be, "Less roomy, less powerful and less luxurious!" is the day that I expect to read a Rolling Stone "Top 50 Albums Of All Time" story and find "Frampton Comes Alive!" in the top 10.
 
So it's of little surprise that the redesigned 2008 Honda Accord is indeed roomier, more powerful and more luxurious. But I wonder – how much bigger can it get? Out of curiosity, I compared the size of the new Accord to that of the Toyota Avalon. Houston, we have a problem.

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January 14, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: No Manual Shift Control

2008 Honda Accord -- Brent Romans

It's a bit curious that Honda chose not to offer a manual shift mode for the new Accord's automatic transmission. It's an increasingly common feature, even for family sedans. I don't use manual shift control very often but I found myself wanting it in the Accord over the weekend when tackling some hills.

Otherwise, our Accord's five-speed automatic is a model of efficient and well-timed shifts...

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January 7, 2008

2008 Honda Accord: Service me, please

Saturday morning I hopped into the Honda Accord to run a quick errand and ping a little yellow wrench illuminated on the instrument panel and it said "Oil Life 15%" in place of the odometer reading.

At just over 6,300 miles, and with no issues to speak of, our long-term Accord is off to the dealer tomorrow for its first oil change.

Kelly Toepke, News Editor @ 6,303 miles

December 31, 2007

2008 Honda Accord EX: Navigate This!

 I think the navigation system in our Long Term Accord is very nice - good controls, large screen. There's just one problem, I can't navigate around the one thing I really need to navigate around here in Sothern California - traffic. I don't want to hear audible traffic reports, I want the system to route me around accidents and construction automatically. I'd also like to see a graphic depiction of traffic flow...

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December 26, 2007

2008 Honda Accord EX V6: That's Good Looking

I've heard and read that some people think the new Accord is unattractive. I couldn't disagree more. I think it's the best looking Accord since the late 80's and early 90s. The rear looks best - those dual exhaust outlets give the car a tough look previous Accords lacked...

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December 12, 2007

2008 Honda Accord: But, Officer...

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Last night, I was pulled over for only the second time in my life. The first time I think I was 17 years old.

I couldn't imagine why I was being snagged. I was aware there was a cop car behind me and I definitely wasn't speeding or anything like that...

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December 3, 2007

2008 Honda Accord: 22 MPG Average

Two words that should strike fear into your heart: house hunting. And with good reason. Despite the fact that the internet makes it easy to view and discard possibilities from the comfort of your own couch, there's still way too much driving around, driving around, driving around that takes place during the shopping period. They call it "hunting" for a reason...

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November 30, 2007

2008 Honda Accord: Airport Taxi Duty

The 8:00 p.m. email simply asked, "What are you driving?"

A common enough question in our office, but when it comes from two Inside Line editors on assignment in Japan, it translates pretty quickly to, "Can you pick us up at the airport in the morning?"

Lucky for the boys, our long-term 2008 Honda Accord was already stashed in my garage. I responded with the affirmative, "What time?," safe in the knowledge that the Accord's 14-cubic-foot trunk would handle their personal luggage and camera gear, and my daughter's car seat wouldn't be in the way, either.

Had I gone for the Mini Cooper that night, they might've been thumbin' it...

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November 29, 2007

2008 Honda Accord: Navigating to San Diego Part 2

My horrible, yet free, parking spot for the Colts-Chargers game

On my trip to San Diego to see my Colts play the Chargers (see Part 1), I ended up parking here. With more than an hour to kick off, the lot was full and I ended up having to park a mile away, up a huge hill and at the end of tiny Shawn Ave. On the upside, I didn't have to pay for parking.

When finding my way from this spot and throughout the day, the Accord's excellent navigation system came in handy...

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November 26, 2007

2008 Honda Accord: "VCM" Cylinder Deactivation

"VCM" is Honda's acronym for their cylinder deactivation system, a mode which is intended to reduce fuel consumption during light-load operation. When active, the V6 switches to three- (or four-) cylinder mode and illuminates an "ECO" light on the tach.

We'll see how effective it is as the miles pile on, but I observed the ECO light coming on quite a bit during routine driving. The switchover to and from ECO mode isn't quite imperceptible...

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November 20, 2007

2008 Honda Accord: Navigating to San Diego Part 1

Honda Accord at the Hotel Del Coronado

We've added a 2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6 to our fleet and I was lucky enough to take it down to San Diego to see my beloved Indianapolis Colts lose a close one to Adam Vinatieri and their own special teams. Or rather, if you're my girlfriend, spend a romantic weekend at the enchanting Hotel Del Coronado.

The new Accord is quite an accomplishment. It maintains a feeling of nimbleness, while also motoring down Interstate 5 with big-car authority and having room for five people...

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