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2008 Pontiac G8 GT

July 3, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT and 2008 Cadillac CTS V6: Dealer Differences

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So I get asked all the time, "Hey, what's the difference between dealerships?" "What happens when a dealership has both premium and non-premium brands under the same service roof?" Well, here's a good visual representation for the only difference in service when you bring a premium (Cadillac CTS-- Top) and a non-premium (Pontiac G8 GT -- Bottom) to the same dealer (Martin Cadillac in LA). Notice the difference? That's the only one.

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Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant

2008 Pontiac G8: Oil Change and Brake Check

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Just about a week-or-so ago, we brought our 2008 Pontiac G8 over to The Martin Automotive Group in LA for its second called-for oil change. While we were there, we wanted them to check out a vibration we were getting through the brake pedal, and to replace the flip-style key that had long ago stopped flipping.

When we arrived we waited a solid 15 minutes before someone spoke to us, and even then it was only the lot attendant asking us to back up so they could get that limo around. Another 10 minutes passed and a service advisor beckoned. They said, contrary to what they'd said earlier that morning, that they were quite busy ( good for them I suppose) and if we wanted the brakes inspected we'd have to leave the car with them overnight. 

Early the following morning I got a call saying that the car was done. The key fob was out of stock and would take a week or so to come in, but thankfully it was covered under warranty as a new unit runs upwards of $130. The oil service was completed for $39.95-- $15.95 in parts and $20.00 in labor.

They also inspected the brakes...and charged us $65 to do it. Their conclusion is the same one we could have figured out in Dan Edmunds' driveway: we need new pads. Not surprising. We drive this big car pretty hard and it's already got 23,000 miles on the clock. Brake rotors were also on their way out. Following this was bad news and more bad news. (1) They wanted some completely unreasonable fee for a brake job. (2) Martin Cadillac considers the G8 a "very new" car and as such, they don't have brake pads or rotos, they'd have to be ordered which would take 4-weeks.  (3) Every other Pontiac dealer also thinks 2008 is really new and will make you wait two weeks, AND you have to pre-pay IN PERSON. No over-the-phone high-tech credit card payments for them.

Screw that.

We're going to save time, money and hassle by buying these parts online. (If you've got a good recommendation for where to go, love to hear it. We've got our standard places, but who doesn't love a better deal?) Look for more on buying the parts, and then Dan and I installing them, a little ways down the road.

Yesterday they called to let me know that the replacement key fob was in, we've just got to get the car over there to pick it up.

Total cost: 107.64

Days out of service: 1

Irritation level: Very High

Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant @ 23,049 miles

July 2, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Fuel Economy Update

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You may have noticed that the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT was absent from this week's monthly fuel economy summary. There's no sinister hidden meaning here. I'd simply used it as my airport car for a trip overseas and was unable to cough up the data.

So here it is, your Pontaic G8 GT lifetime fuel economy summary through June, 2009.

Best tank: 24.0 mpg
Best Range: 351 miles
Worst tank: 12.0 mpg

Lifetime average: 17.6 mpg

For comparison, the official EPA combined fuel economy rating for this car is 18 mpg, so we've pretty much nailed it.

The average mpg figure represents 23,783 miles of driving. In that time our G8GT burned 1,354 gallons of fuel. That represents about $3,000 to $3,500 at current prices.

 

Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing @ 23,933 miles

June 30, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT, et al.: Textcast -- How To Fix GM, Part I

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Sadlier: So, continuing its pattern of hiring random people to do important things, GM taps us to be the guys who make sure that the new GM is devoid of the stupid stuff that plagued old GM. Where do we start?
Magrath: I suppose we start from the outside in. It's how I pick my books and women; why not evaluate companies likewise?
Sadlier: Good, let's focus on outer beauty. It's the LA way. Chevy Gold Bow Tie.jpg
Magrath: GM has never really had a problem selling to GM fans, so the trick, it would seem, is to get non-GM folks to take the cars seriously. This means that Chevrolet, the largest and most important brand, needs to ditch the bowtie.
Sadlier: The bowtie is obviously tainted, but I think it's potentially salvageable. Hire a design firm with money they don't have and sex it up.
Magrath: Salvageable? Except for Colonel Sanders and Tucker Carlson, who wears a bowtie? And as you may recall from Jon Stewart's pummeling of Tucker, the bowtie was a key part of Stewart's argument that what Tucker did on Crossfire is theater and not real news. Bowties are gags.
Magrath: They could try to sex it up, but that would end with the thing being a bolo tie like you see at rodeos or in Arizona. There'd be turquoise and a cow skull...not good.
Magrath: Besides James Bond, whom I don't think GM wants to evoke unless the new Camaro is a submersible, name something positive associated with a bowtie.
Sadlier: Ummm...the tuxedo? 17th-century Croatian mercenaries? Balzac? Hell, the Playboy bunny wears a bowtie. This is too easy.
Sadlier: The bowtie can rise again. Just not in its current form.
Magrath: Fine, then if GM is sticking with a bowtie, Lexus should switch from a stylized "L" to a mawashi.
Sadlier: Deal.
Magrath: And GM cars should be available only in black and white, or in Croatia.
Sadlier: ...with your choice of a complimentary Playboy playmate or French novel.
Magrath: I'm in.

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June 26, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Dipstick? What Dipstick?

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Our excitable Scottish tie-wearing mechanic friend implores folks to "Think with your dipstick!" He's so fanatically passionate about the benefits of regular lubracatory monitoring practices that he'll even resort to physical violence to force people to submit to his agenda.

None of us around here wants that, least of all me.

And while our favorite demented Scot is primarily focused on engine oil, it pays to keep tabs on your transmission fluid level, too.

I thought of this while driving the Pontiac G8 GT the other day, as the shifting action didn't seem to be as crisp or regular is it did when it was new, especially in the "normal" shift mode. (Sport mode seems fine.) And I'm not the only one who has experienced this. 

The slight shifting delay I noticed once or twice while starting from rest reminded me of what low automatic transmission fluid feels like, so I popped the hood for a quick check.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that I couldn't. Why? No dipstick.

   

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June 25, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Wheels Done Right

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Here's an example of wheels done right: a chunky five-spoke design with a "machine-faced" aluminum finish. Unlike most alloy wheels, these appear to be unpainted and made from actual metal. You can see the brushed-like surface texture.

Contrast this with the ridiculous chrome-clad finishes American automakers somehow see as an upgrade on so many of its other cars. The Chevy Malibu we had in recently, the new Chevy Equinox, the Ford Edge or the G8 GXP are just some of the culprits/victims. Or how about Erin's 2010 Taurus? It looks like she stopped into the Big O Tire in Beloxi and found the cheapest chromed wheel she could find.

Even if it's real chrome rather than chrome-clad, I'll go for the G8 GT's aluminum finish and design any day. It strikes an appropriate balance between flash and class.

James Riswick, Automotive Editor @ 23,655 miles

June 23, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: I Never Noticed This Before

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As I was driving home last night in the Pontiac G8 GT, the A/C was pumping out pretty strong. I even had the fan on the lowest setting. This is something that is common in American cars. We Americans sure like our A/C cranking.

When I got home and opened the door, I realized the driver-side air conditioning vent is actually on the door. Underneath, there is a vent in the dash that gets covered by the door vent when it is closed. You would think this double vent would cut down the amount of air that flows through but it doesn't.

I don't know why I never noticed this design before.

Can you think of any other cars that have this setup?

Here's how it looks when the door is closed.

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Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor

June 17, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT vs. 2010 Ford Taurus SHO

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Yesterday we put a new 2010 Ford Taurus SHO through our battery of track tests, and guess what, it's no giant killer. 

Despite all the hype surrounding Ford's new twin-turbo, all-wheel drive sport sedan, our long-term Pontiac G8 GT would put it on the trailer. The Pancho is quicker, it handles better and it has better brakes. Oh, and it's much, much, much, much cheaper. In fact, for the price of the SHO you could step up to a G8 GXP. And then it's really no contest, the SHO's doors would be officially blown off.

Anyway, check out the numbers over on our Straightline blog, then come back here and tell me which one you'd rather have. I've driven all three and I'll tell you that the Ford isn't even a close second.

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief

IL's First Drive of the 2010 Ford Taurus SHO  

June 15, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Always in "S"

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Unless I'm going backwards, this is how I drive the G8. I'd bet the fuel economy is marginally worse, but otherwise there seems to be no down side. The calibration difference between "Normal" and "Sport" is a subtle but effective change which perks up the car's response to small throttle openings. When accelerating from most corners using aggressive (but not wide-open) throttle, Sport mode gives me the perfect gear nearly every time. And it does so without unnecessarily hanging onto gears and generating awful engine noise. Nor does it lock out sixth gear.

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Middle Eastern Cousin

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Last week, Josh put up a simple post about how much his wife likes the looks of our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT.

A respondent or two took issue with the G8's bifurcated Pontiac grille. Others bemoaned the loss of a great car as GM attempts to reorganize itself.

Here's a photo of a Chevorlet version of the very same car that is on-sale today -- in the Middle East. It carries a name we thought was dead, too. It's the 2009 Chevy Lumina SS.

So what do you think of this nose? How about the stand-up wing in the next picture? It's the same one used on the Holden Commodore SS.

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June 12, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: The Look

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There are lots of other reasons to like the G8, but this morning, for my wife, it was this simple rear-three-quarter view. She sees, and often drives, every car I bring home -- a different one every few days so her perspective is just as jaded as mine. But this morning she walked out on the porch and said this: "The G8 sure is a nice looking car."

Wow. That's saying something.

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June 5, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: It's Finally Time for the Second Oil Change

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Last night, I started our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT, and the car flashed the above message (at 22,788 miles). Finally. It has been 11,540 miles since our first oil change seven months ago.

I like the warning system in this car. In addition to the 30-second flashing warning at startup, there's another reminder right after you shut the engine off. So even if you've managed to forget your car needs an oil change in the course of a commute, you get that extra nudge to call up the dealer as soon as you stop.

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We'll be making a service appointment for the G8, but for good measure, I checked the oil after returning home from dinner last night (and, yes, letting the car sit in my carport on a level surface for 25 minutes). The oil level registered right at the low mark on the acceptable range, and because the G8 and I have this whole car-human telepathy thing going, we both knew a half quart of 5W30 was in order.

If you're keeping track, we've added two-and-a-half quarts of oil to our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT over the last 11,540 miles.

Erin Riches, Senior Editor @ 22,842 miles

June 4, 2009

Answer Time

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You guessed it right away.

2008 Pontiac G8 GT

I'm really making these too easy.

Would you have gotten it if I posted this photo...?

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June 2, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Double-Wide Pass-Thru

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In this age of Internet shopping, I'm not the only one here who has my very important Web purchases shipped to the office instead of my house. Fear of having packages stolen from my front porch wins out over the possibility of the Edmunds' receptionist making a crabby face at my personal junk. (Although honestly, she's way too cheerful and nice to chastise annoying staffers).

So when UPS delivered my new 5'x8' Pottery Barn rug to Santa Monica, I needed a car that could easily carry it 33 miles south to my Long Beach home. And our 2008 Pontiac G8, with its double-wide pass-thru connecting the trunk to the backseat, stepped up with enthusiasm.

Now about that armoire I ordered yesterday...

Kelly Toepke, News Editor @ 22,650 miles

 

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June 1, 2009

Big List of Fuel Economy - May Edition

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Here are the fuel economy numbers for 2009. We've listed the best, worst and overall average tanks.

As always, we were missing a few cars that were out of town or unavailable at the time of this writing. I'll add them as they come in and I'll let you know in the comments.

  Car
Best
Worst
Average
  2009 Audi A4 Avant
26.8
17.5
22.0
  2009 Audi S5
22.3
11.8
18.0
  2009 BMW 750i
21.8
12.4
18.2
  2002 BMW M3
23.5
12.3
17.5
  2009 BMW M3
18.8
9.6
15.4
  2008 Cadillac CTS
32.5
9.9
19.3
  2009 Dodge Challenger R/T
22.3
10.3
16.0
  2009 Ford Flex Limited
26.7
13.7
19.4
  2008 Ford Focus SES
40.6
16.6
26.7
  2007 Honda Civic GX
47.3
12.7
31.7
  2009 Honda Fit Sport
39.0
26.0
31.5
  2009 Hyundai Genesis
24.8
15.5
20.7
  2009 Infiniti FX50
21.8
10.7
17.0
  2009 Mazda 6
29.1
19.4
23.3
  2008 Mitsubishi Evo X MR
27.2
11.7
17.3
  2009 Nissan 370Z
24.4
13.7
18.2
  2009 Nissan GT-R
21.8
11.5
16.5
  2008 Pontiac G8 GT
24.0
12.0
17.5
  2008 Smart Fortwo Passion
43.4
23.5
33.4
  2009 Suzuki SX4
28.3
18.6
22.6
  2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI
43.0
28.7
35.0

After the jump you can see the list sorted by best average MPG.

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May 29, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8: The Car for the "Transporter"

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A few weeks ago, I was flipping through channels on TV and stopped on The Transporter. It was a 2002 film starring Jason Statham; his ex-military character earns a living by driving potentially illegal packages or cargo around Europe using a manual-shift BMW 730i and not asking any questions.

I was actually driving our long-term 750i at the time, and The Transporter also made me think of BMW's series of The Hire short films from 2001 and 2002 starring Clive Owen. After a bit of contemplation, I decided that neither the "transporter" nor the "hire" would drive a 2009 750i. As capable as it is, there's just too much technology in it. It's not a true driver's car.

I could see them driving a Pontiac G8, though. Like a 7 Series, it's big, roomy and an exceptionally handling car for its size. But it's not overly pretentious like a new 7 can seem. Not too many other motorists notice our black G8, either, so one can dip into the V8's extensive power reserves without drawing much attention. Plus, you can get a manual transmission in the GXP version, something BMW no longer bothers with for the new 750i. If there any real "tranporters" or "hires" out there, this is the car for you.

Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor

May 26, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Still Cool the Second Time Around

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Our Pontiac G8 GT's term is almost complete, but I managed to squeeze in another rotation before it's gone. Coincidentally, it was almost one year ago that I first drove our G8. Much of the experience this time around has been familiar. The sedan is still silly fast, especially when already rolling; it takes great restraint to obey the speed limit when driving on lightly trafficked freeways.

The G8 is noisier on the freeway than I recall it being 11 months ago, though. In particular, there's notable wind noise from the passenger-side mirror or door area that I don't remember. And assuming my memory is correct about such things, the suspension damping also seems a little softer, leading to a bit more body roll during initial turn-in for cornering.

Even so, I gained renewed fondness for the G8. It's not perfect by any means, and it won't likely be around much longer. But any car enthusiast needing a family sedan would be remiss if he or she didn't add the G8 GT to their comparison list.

Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor @ 22,209 miles

May 23, 2009

Would I Buy One?

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Would I buy one? It's a question I ask myself whenever I slide behind the wheel of a car. Would I drop my hard earned money on one of these? Would I want to own it? Drive it for years? Look at it in my driveway? Tell people it's mine?

It's also the question you the reader ask me the most. So I've decided to go through all the cars we now have in our fleet and decide whether or not I would buy one. I also included a few recently departed vehicles. Seems appropriate since they just left us. 

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May 13, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Hey Look, There's Another One

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Should I wave? Thumbs up? Do everything in my power to avoid eye contact? What if I wave and he doesn't wave back? I hate that. What if I don't wave out of fear and he misinterprets my lack of waving as a slight? Then he won't wave. Maybe I should just give him a nod, but we're going 75 mph so the nod has to be a little extra animated for him to see it. What if he thinks I'm having a seizure? A thumbs up is always appropriate. I'll do that. Okay, he's looking, here goes.

Oh no, he's not thumbing up back. I feel like such an ass. I should have went with the nod. Wait, there he goes. Thumb is up. Nice car dude.

What do you do when you're driving in a car and come upon somebody in the same exact ride?

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief

May 12, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Crash Test Videos

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May 11, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Man Weekend, Joshua Tree Edition

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"I read an interesting article recently about walnuts and hazelnuts," my barely vegan college roommate Mumbles told me when I picked him up at the airport on Friday.

U2 - then and now.jpgWith that, the Joshua Tree edition of our illustrious Man Weekend series was officially underway.

The Professor was also in the mix, of course, as was Big Sleep, another old roommate who actually wasn't known as Big Sleep until he set an unofficial Man Weekend record by taking 13 naps between Friday evening and Sunday afternoon.

Our destination was a cabin a few miles from the west entrance to Joshua Tree National Park.

Our gear included three guitars, two bags of organic pesto pumpkin seeds, 48 bottles of reverse-osmosis-purified water (Mumbles' personal reserve), one U2 mix CD, and one long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT.

It was going to be a hell of a trip.

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May 8, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Suspension Walkaround

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I know I've done a lot of these lately, but the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT is this week's COW, so I couldn't possibly let it slip by. Besides, these wheelwells actually contain a few interesting tidbits to talk about.

But that's not apparent from this overall view of the front suspension. It looks like a garden-variety front strut setup from here.

 

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Echo

I've heard from so many places all during my life that American culture expanded over the globe like a shock wave. While a lot of folks have embraced elements of Americanism, others feel it's infringed on their own traditions.

The G8 coming to our shores is an echo of that shock wave in my opinion. The growling American styled meaty V8 packed under the G8's hood is a modern version of those great Motown muscle cars of years gone by.

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Our G8 isn't as American as apple pie, however. Being an Aussie product, they've mixed Euro styling with the raw American muscle. In the end, it's really a convergence of cultural ripples from the US and Europe.

I had the chance to take this echo out on the streets last night. After a few full throttle blasts getting onto the freeways and casual around the town driving, I really like what I'm hearing.

Scott Jacobs, Senior Photographer

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Call Fritz, I See Seat Padding

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After more than 20,000 miles the interior of our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT is holding up wonderfully. The seats, steering wheel, shifter and dash would all look new after a good scrubbing. But there is one spot showing some age.

The above photo is of the top of the rear seat. It's the top of the seat's center section that folds down to create a trunk pass through and that button is how you release it from the rear bulkhead. Notice how the upholstery has pulled away from the button's plastic trim exposing the padding underneath.

Disappointing, but the top of the rear seat does get a lot of sun. Obviously it's having an effect.

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief  

May 7, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: The Words Between The Numbers

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If nothing else, Pontiac's departure from this earthly coil reminds us of the variety available to the car-buying public.

By nearly any measure on paper, our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 and 2008 Mitsubishi Evo MR are doppelgangers. Acceleration is dead heat between the two, both are four-doors, have six-speed transmissions, heck, even the detailing down to the grille trim is similar. Furthermore, both haven proven robust.

We always put words between the numbers, though, and those words (hopefully) have spoken of a vast difference in driving character between these rides. Our comparison test of the Evo MR vs the G8 GXP last year demonstrated just how different two high-performance sedans at the same price point can be.

That test was with the GXP, though, and our long-term G8 is a GT. Still, aside from the GXP's faster numbers, they're very obviously cut from the same cloth. They're fraternal twins--one simply ended up more athletic than the other.

By contrast, the Evo is an entirely different animal from the Lancer upon which it is based. It's a Lancer in the way that the Six Million Dollar Man is a human male.

There's one thing that really separates the G8 GT and the Evo MR, and that's the fact that the MSRP of the GT undercuts the MR by ten grand. That's such a big difference that it might make you reevaluate how much you're willing to spend for the Evo's sharper character.

For me, the transmission clinches it. The Evo's all wheel-drive traction and twin-clutch gearbox puts it in another galaxy compared to the G8 GT's autobox. Sure, the GT has a shift-it-yourself mode, but it's sluggish, lacks paddles and the console shifter is logic-reversed.

What say you, fine IL LT blog reader--among the G8 GT, G8 GXP and Evo MR, which ride hits your sweet spot and why?

Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor @ 20,771 miles.

 

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Things I Don't Like

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If you've been following our long-term test of the G8 GT, you've probably noticed that I really like this car. The definitive post was this one, where I argued that anyone in the market for a V6-powered family sedan should buy a G8 GT instead. In the open thread, reader gregnv asked how the G8 GT compares to the Camry V6, VW CC 2.0T, Accord V6, and Maxima. Answer: I'd much rather have the G8 GT than any of the above. V8 power + RWD + badass looks + enormous backseat = no-brainer for the pragmatic enthusiast.

But there are a few things I could do without. Here's three.

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: The Great Rear Cupholders Debate Rages On

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Earlier this week I posted negatively about the G8's rear cupholders. Basically I said there are none. Obviously that is technically incorrect, but I stand behind the claim simply based on the fact that the cupholders that are there are useless.

Hold on, hear me out.

In most cars the rear cupholders are part of the center armrest that folds down when needed. This is how it is in my wife's Passat. Good system. Works well. But the G8's cupholders are not in the center armrest, they're on the back of the center section of seat that folds down to create a pass through to the trunk. Therefore when in use the rear passengers are not only exposed to this gaping hole to the trunk, they're essentially forced to rest their arms on that unpadded hard piece of plastic you can clearly see in the photo.

Dumbest thing I've ever seen. Somebody at Holden really screwed the pooch on this one. 

What do you think? Does the G8 have rear cupholders or not?

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief 

May 6, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Let Me Get This Straight, Part Deux

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Yesss! The front license plate of our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT is square and true to the world.

And it only took 5 minutes...

...after I made a trip to Pep Boys...

...where I spent only $2.16 on a pack of 3/16" pop rivets...

...because I already had the required tools (3/16" drill, pop rivet insertion tool).

And it turns out that Pontiac (or Holden, or GM -- all are correct answers) did attempt to make this process idiot-proof. But their approach obviously wasn't idiot-proof enough. Dimples might still be a good idea.

 

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Collector's Item?

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This probably seemed like a good idea back in 2007. Pontiac figured it would single out the first 888 G8s that made it to the States with a little extra detailing. Those lucky enough to score a G8 from that first batch off the boat received a G8 with this special emblem on the dash and...well, that's about it really.  

Now that Pontiac is gearing up for its farewell tour next year, we can't help but wonder if these G8s might someday hold a little extra value. Sound ridiculous? Well so did those stupid horns on Plymouth Road Runners, and look how geeked guys get about those today. 

Ed Hellwig, Senior Editor, Inside Line
 

May 5, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: 20k Mile Tire Wear Update

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Recently we talked about the sticky 18" tires on our new 2009 BMW M3. Well, our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT has sticky shoes, too, and they're fast-approaching the 21,000 mile mark.

And these Bridgestone Potenza RE 050A tires are Z-rated, as well -- sort of. That's because the ill-defined Z rating ( >149mph) was split into two clearly-defined "W" and "Y" ratings a few years back. The G8's skins are of the W-rated sub-category, and that makes them good up to 168 mph (270 kph).

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The G8's Bridgestones actually have a lower treadwear rating than the BMW M3 rubber. Here we see a 140 rating -- much lower than the 220 rating found on our M3's Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires.

Here's how they've held up so far...
   

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Let Me Get This Straight...

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You've noticed it. We've noticed it. Our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT has a cockeyed front license plate.

It wasn't always this way. Our G8 GT was delivered without the front license plate bracket installed. That's because something like 13 (or 14) of the 50 US states don't require a front plate. These enlightened states issue you one plate for the rear, and that's that.

I wish California were one of them. Front plates ruin the looks of a lot of cars--including this one. Look back at any blog post before July 2008 to see how much better our G8 looked without one.

Many Californians leave them off and never get hassled. But we represent a company and we won't risk it. And it's not advisable in Santa Monica and other beachside communities where you're likely to get a front plate ticket while legally parked at a meter or along a curb.

Front plate laws predate speed cameras by decades, and front plates are not strictly required for red light and speed cameras to function. Case in point: Arizona has no front plates, yet that state has become addicted to camera enforcement in the last year or two.

But I digress. This front plate has been on my nerves ever since it was installed by one of the two dealers we visited during a drawn-out service visit last July. 

I've got tools and I've got the G8. I'll see what I can do. Maybe I can loosen a bolt and scoot it around, or something.   

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Open Thread

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OK, let's stop bashing on the Sunfire and Aztek and concentrate on the Pontiac G8 GT.

Have you driven one? Write a review in the comments section.

Any questions you want us to answer? Anything you want us to talk about that we haven't already convered in this car?

Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor

May 4, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Correction on the Windows

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This morning I posted that our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT did not have auto up or down windows. That was not correct, and as usual I got the barrage of RTFM comments.

Embarrassed by the error I walked out to the car and checked. Here's the deal. The G8 does not have auto up windows at all, but its two front windows are auto down, sorta.

Yeah, sorta. Here's the thing: You have to hold the button for a couple of seconds to activate the feature. It takes so long that the window is nearly halfway down before you get to let go of the button. This is different than most cars, which allow you to just push the button once quickly, and it fooled me into thinking the G8 did not have auto down windows at all.

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: 10 Things You Don't Know About The Last Great Pontiac

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1) To improve weight distribution the G8's battery is in the trunk.

2) It has more comfortable seats and better ergonomics than the Cadillac CTS.

3) It's entire rearseat does not fold down, but its center section does, so long items that are not too wide can come along for the ride.

4) There are no cupholders for its rearseat passengers (The two in the center fold down section are so lame they don't count.) (Sorry cocarguydj.)

5) Only the G8's two front windows feature auto up and down. (thanks cocarguydj and carguy622)

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May 3, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Read This While You Can

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Our long-term Pontiac G8 GT is well-liked by our staff. We appreciate its 6.0-liter 361-horsepower V8 engine and the way it boldly goes forth when you put your foot on it.

Sure, it has its quirks. But isn't it often the imperfections in people that make them more endearing?

It has a lot of features that I believe an American car should have: V8 engine, rear-wheel drive, roomy interior, a nice low rumble, good loud audio system, the ability to lay 40 feet of rubber -- even if some of that comes by way of Oz.

But it hit the streets a little too late.

It's sad to think this will be the last Pontiac we ever own. Despite all the reasons why the brand failed, it had a good run and will always be a part of automotive history. I can't help feeling bad that Pontiac is going away.

Somewhere in car-guy heaven, Smokey Yunick is weeping.

This, our Pontiac G8, will also be leaving the fleet soon. Let's give it some love as car of the week.

Have you ever owned a Pontiac?

Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor

May 1, 2009

Big List of Fuel Economy - April Edition

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Here are the fuel economy figures for April 2009. As usual, we've listed the best and worst tanks and the average over the entire life of the vehicle.

We're missing a couple of cars that were out of town or unavailable at the time we took the readings.

Car
Best
Worst
Average
2009 Audi A4 Avant
26.8
17.5
22.3
2008 BMW 135i
27.7
9.5
19.8
2009 BMW 750i
21.8
14.6
19.1
2002 BMW M3
23.5
12.3
17.5
2009 BMW M3
16.8
9.6
14.8
2008 Cadillac CTS
32.5
9.9
19.2
2009 Dodge Challenger R/T
18.1
10.3
16.3
2009 Ford Flex Limited
26.7
13.7
19.6
2008 Ford Focus SES
40.6
16.6
26.7
2007 Honda Civic GX
47.3
12.7
31.7
2009 Honda Fit Sport
39.0
26.0
32.0
2009 Hyundai Genesis
24.8
15.5
20.7
2009 Infiniti FX50
21.8
10.7
17.1
2009 Mazda 6
29.1
19.5
23.5
2008 Mitsubishi Evo X GSR
22.6
11.0
17.2
2008 Mitsubishi Evo X MR
21.3
11.7
16.8
2009 Nissan GT-R
21.8
11.5
16.5
2008 Pontiac G8 GT
19.4
14.1
17.3
2008 Smart Fortwo Passion
43.4
23.5
33.7
2009 Suzuki SX4
25.0
18.6
22.5
2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI
43.0
28.7
35.3
2005 Volkswagen Jetta on Biodiesel
49.1
26.2
38.8

After the jump you can see the list sorted by best average MPG.

Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor

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April 28, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Needs Another Quart

addoiltog8.jpgI checked the oil in our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT today, and it registered below the low mark. I've come to know that this means the car is down a quart. So I gave it a bottle of 5W30.

Believe it or not, we haven't been neglecting the car. Oil service intervals are computer-indicated on the G8; there's a shot of the owner's manual in the thumbs below. And since its last service at 11,800 miles, the maintenance light has yet to illuminate again.

A check of the Edmunds Maintenance Calculator suggests that 12,000 miles is the absolute longest you could expect to go between changes and the owner's manual notes that you shouldn't go longer than 10 months -- we've reached neither threshold.

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Erin Riches, Senior Editor @ 20,386 miles

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Hit 20K as GM Sealed Pontiac's Fate

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Pontiac is dying, and unless it gets reincarnated as an Impala SS or Chevelle SS, the G8 is dying, too, at least in the U.S. But our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT is still very much alive. Late last week it hit the 20,000-mile mark and we're late in celebrating the milestone.

One of our editors reports that the front brake rotors may be slightly out of round, so we'll have them checked out soon. Other than that, our full-size Pontiac is still incredibly satisfying to drive. The 6.0-liter V8 still moves the 4,000-pound car around with authority -- 385 pound-feet of torque will do that for you.

And I still like the chassis a lot. For a car with so much interior room, our G8 GT drives small. One other thing that hasn't changed: the G8's fussy, Aussie-market stereo controls. Couldn't I just have a tuning knob?

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Erin Riches, Senior Editor @ 20,366 miles

April 14, 2009

Where's the Clipboard Damn It, I Need a Car!

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What's it like working at Inside Line?

I get this question almost daily from somebody, and my answer usually blows their mind. I say, "Well, everyday this guy Mike walks up to me with a clipboard that contains a list of 15 to 30 cars ranging from a Smart to a GT-R and he says, 'Scott, what do you want to drive home tonight.'"

It's true.   

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March 27, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Our Favorite Caption

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Thanks to james6290 for this week's favorite caption.

We also liked these:

Elwood waits at the gate for his brother. (oldchap)
To burn out, or not to burn out. That is the question (evo1)
I told you those OnStar directions were cuckoo (mnorm1)
Hello Nurse Ratchet? I won't be attending group today (tinyelvis)
Finally, a place where my crooked license plate looks normal (fadetoblackii)
I asked for directions to get my car serviced, not my head. (tcd223)
Welcome to the G8s of Hell (abyss)

What was your favorite?

Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: You Write the Caption

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Inside Line Senior Editor Erin Riches snapped this photo of our 2008 Pontiac G8 on the street where I will no doubt someday live.

Here's my caption: McMurphy: I'm a goddamn marvel of modern science.

So, in the spirit of the Cuckoo's Nest, which one of you nuts has got any guts?

We'll post our favorite at 4:00 PM Pacific Time.

Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor

March 16, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Muscle

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Let me tell you what Melba Toast is packin' right here, all right. We got 4:11 Positrac out back, 750 double pumper, Edelbrock intake, bored 30 over, 11:1 pop-up pistons, turbo jet 390 horsepower. We're talkin' some....muscle.

Well, OK, none of that is true. But David Wooderson would be proud of the G8's (ahem), muscle, nonetheless.

What we really got here is 2.92:1 limited-slip, multi-port fuel injection, plastic intake manifold, stock 3.99-inch bore, 10.4:1 compression and a bulldozing 361 horsepower. And it's more than enough turn rubber to smoke, thank you very much.

This burnout is brought to you by Austin, Texas-based wedding and event photographer David Hill and is sponsored by Bridgestone.

Josh Jacquot, Senior road test editor @ 19,874

March 13, 2009

Old Cars Out, New Cars In: Bye-bye R8, C300, X5 and Grand Caravan

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In the past couple of weeks we've had a lot of turnover in our long-term fleet. Some cars have gone bye-bye and we've gotten a couple of newbies. I thought you'd want an update.

Gone are the BMW X5, Audi R8 and Dodge Grand Caravan. There will be no more blogs on these cars, but look for an in depth wrap-up on each in the next few weeks, just like the one we published on our Mercedes C300 today. All three are already missed. The X5 and R8 were staff favorites, and the minivan proved to be great at moving people and things, even if we didn't always shower it with praise.

New to the fleet is a bitchin' black 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T we purchased about a week ago. Look for its full introduction to this blog next week and a flood of posts soon after. We also recently acquired a Hyundai Genesis sedan and a Nissan 370Z, both of which we introduced to you and this blog recently.

Soon to finish up their time in our fleet will be the Cadillac CTS, Pontiac G8, the 2002 BMW E46 M3, our Subaru WRX STI and our BMW 135i. Any suggestions on replacements?


Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief

March 9, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Unidentified Electronic Object

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I opened the Pontiac G8's trunk yesterday to find this hanging down.

Not familiar to me, and haven't asked around the office yet.

Someone want to clue me in?

Kelly Toepke, News Editor @ 18,365 miles

 

March 2, 2009

Big List of Fuel Economy

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Here is a list of most of our long-term vehicles with their best, worst and average fuel economy numbers over the life of the vehicle.

This list is missing a few that were not available at the time I was compiling this list.

Car
Best
Worst
Average
2008 Audi R8
20.3
11.7
15.3
2009 Audi A4 Avant
26.0
17.5
19.9
2008 BMW 135i
27.7
13.9
20.5
2002 BMW M3
23.5
12.3
17.5
2008 Dodge Grand Caravan
30.8
12.0
18.6
2009 Ford Flex
26.7
13.7
19.8
2008 Ford Focus
37.4
16.6
26.4
2007 Honda Civic GX
47.3
16.6
31.4
2009 Honda Fit Sport
37.1
28.0
32.1
2009 Hyundai Genesis
24.8
15.7
20.9
2009 Infiniti FX50
21.8
10.7
17.4
2009 Mazda 6
29.1
19.5
23.6
2008 Mitsubishi Evo X GSR
22.6
11.0
17.0
2008 Mitsubishi Evo X MR
24.7
11.7
16.8
2009 Nissan GT-R
21.8
11.5
16.6
2008 Pontiac G8 GT
24.0
12.0
17.4
2008 Smart Fortwo
43.2
29.7
33.7
2008 Subaru WRX STI
24.4
12.3
18.9
2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI
40.4
30.0
35.7
2005 Volkswagen Jetta Biodiesel
50.4
30.3
39.3

Follow the jump to see the list organized by average so you can see how they stack up against each other.

Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor

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February 2, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Blaupunk'd (WITH ADDED VIDEO)

I just ran out to take the Pontiac G8 to the car wash. I was in a hurry so didn't bring any entertainment with me, no iPod, no CDs. The radio DJ was getting on my nerves, so I pushed the volume button on the Blaupunkt audio system. This doesn't turn the system off, it just mutes it. I was driving and didn't have time to fiddle.

But then I realized I could still hear the radio very low. So, even though the screen displays "MUTE" in a huge font, it doesn't actually mute it, it sorta mutes it. I had to turn the volume down to zero to get rid of the DJ.

I used the CD player all weekend and it sounds pretty good when you feel like listening to it.

Sorry, no picture.

Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor @ 17,881 miles

I made you a video. See after the jump:

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January 26, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: The No Kicking Express

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Here are two reasons I'd spend my own money on a Pontiac G8. 1) The G8 GT made my  morning commute feel so short, I kept driving past the office simply because I wanted to enjoy the car more. 2) After 5 days of mainly family use - park, mall, church, grandma's house - not one person blurted out "it's too bumpy." Let's just say a certain 35 year old woman and a certain 2 year old girl MAY have uttered that phrase a few times in recent months when riding in various, uh, EUROpean sedans.

Oh, wait I have a third reason - I never once felt the sadly familar kick of a toddler shoe against the back of my seat. In my book that's an American hat trick. Where do I sign?

Is there another sedan that does all that the G8 does (V8, rear-drive, roomy back seat, tons of power, decent handling, sharp looking) for around $32,000?

Brian Moody, Senior Automotive Editor@ 17,344 miles

January 22, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: So Cal Rain

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There are few things about the Pontiac G8 that feel a little Audi-ish. The round but subtly aggressive style of the exterior (esp the rear) and the rubberized feel of some interior bits. I'll tell you what's NOT very Audi about the G8 - the windscreen wipers. In our A4 Avant, those suckers can clear off snow, ice, mud and rain like nobody's business. The G8's wipers leave a bit of a streak and I don't like it. Thankfully, it doesn't rain much here in So Cal - for the rest of you, better get those Rain X wipers or that cleaner stuff that makes the water bead up real nice. Is it just me or can some little things bug more than they should?

Brian Moody, Senior Automotive Editor 

January 19, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: How Long is Your Commute?

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I've never come across a car with a "Rest Reminder" before. Our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT apparently has one. It comes on after 2 hours of continuous driving.

How do I know this? Driving across the desert to Vegas this weekend would be a good guess. A good guess, but wrong.

No, the way I discovered this little gem was far more demoralizing: It came on during my Friday evening commute, an especially bad one this holiday weekend. That's right, it took me over 2 hours to get home.

Thanks a helluva lot for rubbing it in, G8.

 

According to the manual, the 2 hour trigger threshhold is not changeable. But you can press the DIC access button (GM's cheerful acronym for Driver Information Center) to override the above display when it appears. If you do that, however, the warning will come back again in 20 further minutes, with a chime this time. And every 20 minutes after that. It won't stop until you switch off the car. You know, rest.

At least I got home before the 2:20 chime. 

 

Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing @ 17,174 miles

January 16, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Key Fob Follies

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The main switchblade-style key for our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT is beginning to break up. The pivot point for the key blade is wonky. The case is coming apart and won't snap back together.

Worst of all, pressing the "unlock" button on the Remote Keyless Entry fob (RKE) to get into the car requires focused pressure and digging with your strongest thumbnail, along with the willingness to stand there through 10 or 15 attempts until it finally relents and lets you in.

Using the actual key to unlock our G8 (now there's a novel thought) isn't any good because this will set-off the alarm. It's such a reflex to lock a car nowadays with the RKE button, you know? And that part of the key fob still works 100% of the time.

Is the battery dead? Not likely. Only the "unlock" button is suspect. But I guess it's worth checking. Now, where's that owner's manual... 

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January 12, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: A Great Place for a Stick Up

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The last two times I've signed up for the Pontiac G8 and settled myself into the driver seat, the mild but persistent stench of feet has wafted its way to my nostrils. At first I thought that it was the more well-rounded scent of locker room funk because it also had a slightly steamy, stuffy quality, but this time 'round the distinctly identifiable foot smell stood out (over the weekend, it eventually developed a slight cigarette aftertaste, er aftersmell, but that was once I had gotten used to the toeishness). Even though it's not overwhelming in strength, it still made me wish we had a supply of Airwick Stick Ups in our test car supply stash next to the waterless car wash sprays, dirty chamoix (what's the plural of chamois?) and jugs of wiper fluid. (Unfortunately, I couldn't find a YouTube clip with the jingle "Stick it to 'em - with Stick Ups!" If you grew up in the '70s and '80s like me, that'll be stuck in your head for the rest of the day now. You're welcome.)

After confirming that the odor wasn't self-generated and then checking for wayward sweatsocks left under the seat by one of my esteemed colleagues and finding none, I am left to wonder what it is that's causing the stink. A trip to the car wash today (pictured) helped a little bit. I'll be interested to hear a report from the next editor who gets seat time in it. Any G8 owners fightin' a funk in their cars out there?

Bryn MacKinnon, Senior Editor, Edmunds.com @ 16,625 miles

January 7, 2009

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Knuckle-dragger Approved

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Hello, my name is Kurt and I like V8's, pushrods, breathing through my mouth and doing burnouts.

(photo by Mike Magrath)

Kurt Niebuhr, Photo Editor @ 16,315 miles

December 29, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT and the Inferiority Complex

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What you see above is our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT and what my 4-year old daughter has come to call "the light house." Yep, it's that house in the neighborhood that made the local news and it draws enthusiasts from far and wide. You see, I have a neighbor who works for a lighting company, and even though I've been driving a red-blooded rear-drive V8 sedan for a few days, he's given me a bit of an inferiority complex. Here's my light display...

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December 22, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: GXP-Killer

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I had high hopes for the new Pontiac G8 GXP when I first heard about it. Corvette engine, FE3 suspension, optional manual shifter -- what's not to like? But now that I've driven both GXP flavors (manual and auto), I really don't see the point. The G8 GT is nearly as capable and fun as the GXP, it looks the same, and it stickers for eight or nine grand less.

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December 17, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: A Quick Question

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Why is buying this Pontiac G8 built in Australia better than buying a Hyundai Sonata built in Alabama?

James Riswick, Automotive Editor @ 15,230 miles

December 16, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Fuel Economy Update

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Best tank: 24 mpg

Worst tank: 12 mpg

Average over the life of the test: 17.3 mpg

 

Kelly Toepke, News Editor @ 15,192 miles

December 8, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: If the G8 Goes, I'm Moving to Australia

g8onskylineroad.jpgWhen I returned from my Napa Valley adventure in our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT, I'd logged over 1,000 miles. It's only 400 miles from LA to Napa, so chalk the extra 200 up to the fact that I have no sense of scale when I read a map. If a road looks cool and I'm driving a car that's fit for it, I'll go there even it takes me way off course.

The G8 is certainly fit. I really like the crisp turn-in and the way it feels balanced even through tight turns -- I mean, this is a two-ton car. I like the way the back end will come around if you dip into the power when the stability control is off. I like the weighting of the steering on-center, off-center and at any speed.

Even the brake pedal feel is pretty good, though under moderate inputs on twisty descents, I noticed some light shuddering that suggests the brakes aren't new anymore. The only other thing I'll complain about is that while shifts are quicker and more positive in the transmission's sport and manual modes, there's still some delay. It's not an issue on the highway, but on back roads, you notice it. Wish we had a manual gearbox option as on the Holden and Vauxhall/Opel versions, or the GXP (edit after the fact).

But the only thing that really bothered me during Friday's drive was the traffic on Highway 29 near Calistoga. I just wanted some alone time with the G8, OK? So I drove through San Francisco so I could get some more time on lovely Skyline Blvd. That landed me on Highway 85 just in time for evening gridlock. I didn't get back to LA until 11 p.m.

Fortunately, the driving position in the G8 is excellent and helped ward off fatigue. The cowl is low, the funky steering wheel is actually comfortable to hold, and though the back cushion could stand some more firm support, the driver seat is pretty good, too. The only addition I'd like in here is a nav system, which would have remedied my cartographical challenges.

Best tank on trip was 20.9 mpg; worst was 17.6 mpg. And the quart of oil I added in St. Helena was exactly what the car needed -- oil level is now exactly where it should be.

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Erin Riches, Senior Editor @ 14,706 miles

December 4, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Feels Best at 92 MPH

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I drove our long-term Pontiac G8 GT 420 miles to the Napa Valley yesterday -- St. Helena to be exact -- and I am quite happy with my choice. The G8 is an excellent high-speed cruiser. The cabin is quiet and the seats are wide and roomy, yet supportive enough for a half-day behind the wheel.

Though I know the suspension was softened somewhat from the Holden version, there's still an edge to it that I didn't quite expect from such a big car. Whenever I hit a rut or joint, I felt the exact shape, size and severity of the impact through the driver seat. It's fine, though. And far better than an isolating ride.

Every time my thoughts drifted slightly from the task at hand, I'd look down to see I was traveling at 92 mph. So I think this is the car's happy zone. Of course, I often added to this during passing maneuvers, and the 6.0-liter V8 showed few signs of strain. It reminded me of my inaugural road trip in the GT-R. I grew to like the small-block V8's low roar, too.

I'd neglected to check the oil before leaving, so I tended to this after fueling up in St. Helena. It was indeed low -- oil registered on the dipstick but below the "low" mark. I bought a quart of 5W30 and added half of it. I drove a couple miles more to my hotel and checked it again. Still low. So I added the rest and will recheck before leaving town.

The car's fuel log indicates that Brian Moody also added a quart at 10,693 miles, so apparently, the G8 does like some oil between changes. (It was last serviced at 11,247 miles.) At least, it's the regular old stuff that you can buy at any gas station.

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Erin Riches, Senior Editor @ 14,104 miles

December 2, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Fun to Drive to the Dry Cleaners

pontiacg8waitsatthedrycleaners.jpgI was picking up a bunch of stuff at the dry cleaners so I had a moment to stare out the window at our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT waiting on the street. It is by far the most attractive car General Motors makes and it only gets more attractive when I drive it. It's a shame it's going to end up having such a short lifespan in the U.S. -- that is, unless a two-seat, plug-in hybrid G8 is in the works.

I've always liked our G8 from afar, but have never had more than a night in it, because it always seemed like more car than I needed. This week, though, I'm over that feeling, as I'm driving our big Pontiac to Napa for a business event. When the real work wraps up on Friday, the G8 and I will explore some of NorCal's back roads. I'm looking forward to it.

(Aside: Even I was surprised that two Priuses found their way into this photo. Lovely Santa Monica...)

Erin Riches, Senior Editor @ 13,670 miles

December 1, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: All the Pretty Horses Mock Me

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After about a week with the Pontiac G8 GT, I've decided that it's not the kind of "family sedan" I would ever choose to own. Don't get me wrong, I can definitely see its appeal: plenty fast, looks great, roomy back seat.

But there are also a lot things that I don't like, and they outweigh the elements that I do like.

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November 24, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Stalking the Turn Signal Stalk

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The Pontiac G8 nails most of the big things. Great price, tight handling, eager engine. This weekend marked my first time behind the wheel, and I was pretty taken. This Pontiac knows how to bring the funzies. I wish it came with a radar detector.

It nails some of the smaller things, as well.  Though its center stack is a jumble and there are a few misaligned panels present, I like the overall look of the cabin. And I love the turn signal stalk, which feels supple and perfectly weighted. It's the kind of stalk that feels like it belongs in a more expensive sedan, and using it was a pleasure. L.A. drivers are notorious for their unwillingness to signal when making lane changes. Maybe the cure for this irritating habit lies with the G8, and its well-made stalk.

Warren Clarke, Automotive Content Editor @ 13,413 miles

November 21, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: An American Car I Would Consider Buying

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I hadn't really secured much seat time in the G8 lately, so I signed it out for a couple days of commuting to the LA Auto Show. And you know what? Jordan was right, this G8 is dialed in nicely. It doesn't really hit you right away, but after getting a taste of some heavy traffic, a few wide open blasts on the freeway and some basic errand running, I was really starting to like the way the G8 handles itself. The steering, the brakes, the suspension - it's all dead on. Not perfect, but pretty close to it for a $30K sedan of its size.

The engine is a bit of a sleeper too. Around town it just lays there without making much noise at all.  Then you lay into it and it roars to life, twitching the tail and leaving marks on the street. The sound it makes could use some tweaking as it's more of a thrashy, V6 racket than a V8 rumble, but that's easily fixable. I didn't get a chance to try out the G8 GXP that stopped by recently, but if it's even a little better than our G8 GT, I would seriously consider buying it.

Ed Hellwig, Senior Editor, Inside Line @ 13,361 miles

November 18, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Flat-out, Belly to the Ground

 

 

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If Smokey Yunick were still building NASCAR racing cars (or, you know, even alive), the 2008 Pontiac G8 would be his car. It's so American (yes, I know it's from Australia), lean and quick in a way that makes a BMW 5 Series seem as inert as a lump of depleted uranium.

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November 14, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: Pavement Painter

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40 feet.

Longer, but less rubber than the CTS' 38-foot shot.

Don't worry, Camry and Accord owners, your car will never do that. Aura 3.6 owners, maybe.

Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant

November 6, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Cheaper than the Smart...

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...well, at least as far as a routine oil-change-and-glance-at-the-fluid-reservoirs service goes.

We had the G8 GT in for said service recently and the tab came to just $32.48.  Keep in mind that's for a big V8.  The smart just had a similar service as I'm sure you all saw, and it cost $211.  So it cost over six times that for the smart which has an engine one-sixth the size.

So there's another advantage (other than not giving you whiplash upon gearchanges) that our G8 has over the fortwo.  Yes, I know the G8 is really an Australian GM product, but it's sold and serviced as a Pontiac.  These days, our country could use a little pride -- USA!  USA!  USA!  

 

John DiPietro, Automotive Editor @ ~ 11,800 miles.

October 29, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Crooked Steering Wheel

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When I was driving our Pontiac G8 home last night and in to work this morning, I could swear that something weird was going on with the steering wheel. It certainly felt as if my right hand was closer to me than my left. Even looking at the wheel seemed to back this up. I've noticed this before in other cars (a Z4, a Cobalt SS), but it was the first time I noticed it in our G8, although I haven't driven it much.

To check for sure, I got out of the car and eye-balled the wheel from the side. As the picture shows, it looks like the wheel is angled slightly to port. But I knew that wasn't exactly proof since I could take a picture and make any steering wheel look like that. So I went for the tape measure. I taped the tip of it on the bottom edge of the spoke where the silver bit meats the leather bit, then pulled the tape to a spot on the metal driver seat head rest support. I then repeated on the opposite side, making sure I placed everything in equal spots. I discovered that the wheel's right side was about 0.5 inches closer to the seat than the left side. I measured again to double check and I confirmed the distance. I even had a witness to the proceedings.

So I'm not crazy and my arms are not different lengths. However, it's still pretty annoying.

James Riswick, Automotive Editor @ 11,638 miles

October 28, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: Must Be This Strong To Drive

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Normally I don't ask for help for things like unsticking a jar lid, carrying my own luggage or getting things down from the top shelf. If you ask me if I need help, I'll usually reply, "I got it."

But when I got in our 2008 Pontiac G8 last night and tried to release the hand brake I found myself in a helpless position. I had tried several times to release the brake, pressing that button down with both thumbs while pulling up at the same time. But whoever drove the G8 before me apparently yanked the handbrake up so hard that it didn't have any more ratchets left to unstick it. I wouldn't give up though and continued to press down with my thumbs so hard til they were throbbing and I was all sweaty from the effort.

Since it was the end of the day and most of editorial was gone I thought I was SOL. Guess I'll have to take the leftover Smart after all. But then I saw one of our editors walking into the garage. I explained my situation and how I tried several times to unstick the brake.

Much to my chagrin, he jumped in the car and with one easy one-handed press of the button released the brake. Bah!

Caroline Pardilla, Deputy Managing Editor @ 11,675 miles

October 1, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Is It Really Better Than the Accord?

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Of course, the answer is yes. By a lot. As soon as I got into our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT, I was immediately reacquainted with all the reasons someone might want to own something more fun than a front-drive, midsize sedan. The G8 feels much quicker (because it is) and throttle response is much more aggressive. And you can tell the chassis is something special, even just driving around town.

But then I had two more thoughts.

1. The G8's steering wheel is way too big, and the shape of the rim makes for a slightly awkward grip at nine-and-three. The Accord's smaller steering wheel is actually much more natural to hold at this position.

2. The brake pedal travel is too long, and response is way too soft at the top of the travel. Even around town, I was annoyed. And remember, I'm coming out of the Accord, which doesn't exactly set the standard for brake pedal feel or braking performance.

Both of these complaints could and should be addressed in a mid-cycle update of the Pontiac G8.

Erin Riches, Inside Line Senior Editor @ 10,560 miles

September 26, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Staff Consensus -- The Backseat is Huge

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At lunch today, several of your favorite editors piled into our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT. There was a sale at Fred Segal. (You can't live in LA if you're not shallow, so don't bother telling us we're shallow and extravagant. We already know.) I rode in the G8's backseat on the way there and couldn't believe how roomy and comfortable it was. On the way back, our copy editor Doug Lloyd (6'-1") took a turn in back and proclaimed it equally so.

I realize the Pontiac G8 is big and thus should be comfortable, but I'd honestly thought its Australian-market packaging would make it tight in back. On the contrary, this backseat is as comfy as a Toyota Avalon's.

Erin Riches, Inside Line Senior Editor

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Don't Look Back In Anger

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I've got a debilitating issue thing for things being sharp and in focus. So, imagine my dismay when I found out that nothing in our Pontiac G8 GT's rear view mirror is sharp. Every time I used the mirror to check for cops (let's be honest, that's what you REALLY use it for) I did a double-take and blinked to make sure it wasn't my eyes just playing tricks on me. Upon closer inspection it looks like the mirror is made up of Mylar, but it does a good impersonation of used aluminum foil. It's cheap. And once you flick the day-night mirror into night mode, after having the light bounce off the headliner, the mirror becomes an ever-changing Rorschach test of headlights. By the time I got home I was convinced I was followed by two dragons, a flying saucer and King Arthur himself. It also vibrates pretty badly even though the connection to the windshield is solid.

Did I mention the very poorly placed "Passenger Air Bag" light? No? It sucks. It's distracting in broad daylight and does not dim when the headlights are turned on. If it were my car I'd take apart the mirror, rip that bulb out and step on it. Better yet, I'd just replace the mirror with one from another GM car. It really is one of the only mis-steps in an otherwise really cool car.

And who ordered the "Old Man Exhuast Package" on this car? This car has a 6.0 liter, 361 horsepower V8. I'd like to hear it. We need to do whatever this guy did.

Kurt Niebuhr, Photo Editor @ 9,563 miles

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Abundance

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The more I drive the G8, the more I like it - and I just figured out why. I like the fact that the G8 GT's power comes from a place of abundance. I don't like cars that (no matter how fast or quick) deliver great acceleration but feel all wound up and maxed out doing so.

This is a good car, I'd own one and I can afford it - that's a great combination in my book.

Brian Moody, Road Test Editor @ 10,007 miles

September 24, 2008

The Big List of Fuel Economy

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I was thinking the other day (always a dangerous proposition, I know) and wondering how all the current (or really, really recently departed) Edmunds/Inside Line long-term vehicles stack up against each other in fuel economy, at least the fuel economy we've been recording during their time with us. So I made a list. For you and for me. In case we were both wondering.

The only current vehicles missing from my list are the Audi R8 and the Dodge Grand Caravan, and that's because no one has entered any fuel data into the tracking spreadsheet for those vehicles yet. The very top and the very bottom of the list aren't going to surprise anybody (I don't think), but the middle is kinda interesting. Seeing the Rondo and the WRX so close to each other made me raise my eyebrows. Ditto the Ford GT's spot above the Veracruz. Ready to check it all out? Follow the jump with me.

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September 16, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: How it Should Be Done

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A few weeks back I harped on the wonky speedometer in the Nissan GT-R. The only part anyone'd regularly use without being hauled to the slammer is mired in the soup at the bottom, and steadfastly equal spacing throughout the 220 mph sweep means the daily-use part comprises less than 90 degrees. I scrounged an old Audi photo to show how it should be done.

Add our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT to the "done correctly" list. It's an 180 mph speedo--faster than any of us will ever go, yet Pontiac's use of unequal spacing--10 mph increments up to 100 mph, 20 mph increments thereafter--means that the usable portion is spread over 150 degrees. And the speeds at which we usually travel on the highway are right at the top, as they should be.

Here's another thing this Pontiac G8 GT currently does better than our GT-R: it runs.

Dan Edmunds, DIrector of Vehicle Testing @ 9333 miles  

September 11, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Old School Luxury Car Brake Action

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For all the things done right in the 2008 Pontiac G8, the "Buick-circa-1988" squooshy brake pedal is made that much more incongruous. The bite over the initial inch or so of pedal travel is largely nonexistent. It's like stepping on a Care Bear.

Engineering Editor Jason Kavanagh @ 9,243 miles.

September 9, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Fill It Up Regular

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There's been plenty reported on the impressive or depressing mileage (depends on your point of view) of our V8-powered 362 hp 2008 Pontiac G8 GT. But one thing that has not been mentioned is that this sedan runs on regular gasoline. 87 octane. Yeah, the cheap stuff. Let's see a BMW do that.

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief @ 9,001 miles

August 25, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: V6 Family Sedans, Eat Your Hearts Out

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Most family sedans these days are of the four-cylinder variety, and for good reason: modern four-bangers generally have decent pickup, they're more affordable, and their fuel economy is superior. So people who buy V6-powered family sedans are a special breed. They want something quicker, something sportier perhaps -- and they're not afraid to pay for it, whether at the dealership or the gas pump.

After a tire-smoke-obscured weekend in our long-term G8 GT, I have this to say to would-be V6 family sedan buyers: Buy the G8 GT instead.

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August 18, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: A Bit of Throttle Lag

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This weekend was the most time I've ever spent in our 2008 Pontiac G8. And I have to say that yes, that car can go pretty fast. Really easy to move in and out of traffic, jump onto the freeway in front of fast-moving cars and hit those extra-legal speeds. In fact it seemed at its best when it was going fast.

Only a few things about it that I wasn't crazy about is that it seemed like the throttle had a bit of a lag like when I was trying to backup. If I carefully touched the throttle, like I usually do when going in reverse, nothing would happen. And so when I went to press down more, the car would suddenly lunge backward with the engine revving. One time I did that I felt obliged to apologize to my passenger. She had thought that I was trying to pull a 180 just to get to that parking spot behind us right quick. "Calm down, Caroline. We'll get that spot. Eesh," she said.

My other gripes are the radio controls which another editor had already blogged about and that huge battery/oil display that takes up space in the center of the dash. Do we really need that there? Every time I'd go to glance at the time I had to remember it's not up there, it's located in the radio display.

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August 8, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Tire Pressures and Bold Statements

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Dig this. Sure such tire pressure readouts on instrument panels are commonplace today, but not really on a car costing about $30,000. And yet, there it is between the tachometer and speedometer of our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT. This car just keeps surprising me. It's easily the best vehicle GM sells in America today.

That's right, I said it. I think the G8 GT is better than the Cadillac CTS and the Buick Enclave. As good as those two vehicle are, when you look at the Pontiac's price, performance and package it's easily the best of the GM's best.

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief @ 7,028 miles

August 7, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: Love from the Beach Crowd

pontiac.g8.555.jpgThis morning, like many others, I dropped off my daughter at summer camp in Seal Beach, Calif. I've gone in and out of that school area hundreds of times driving a variety of cars, and never has anyone asked me why I rarely drive the same car, let alone commented on one in particular.

Today I parked our long-term Pontiac G8 GT on the street among the usual Benzes and Bimmers, and walked Emma across the ball field to her camp class. On the way back, a father stopped me and asked about the G8.

"Great car," he said.

For this crowd, that's high praise.

Kelly Toepke @ 7,125 miles

August 4, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Sans Bling

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I don't share all of the same reservations that my compatriot Ed has (see here) regarding our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8's interior. In the G8's refreshing lack of shiny accentry, GM shows a contemporary perspective on cabin design.

Save for the gear selector shaft and the badge on the steering wheel, everything that is silver in color in the G8's interior has a matte finish. Why is this important? Because an interior should never distract its driver, and chrome accents do exactly that--they shine reflections.

If I had my way, chrome would be outlawed from cabins. Penalties would be levied on automakers found applying chrome--their decision-makers would be forced to drive across Arizona at midday in said chrome-laden vehicle.

Matte silver accomplishes the designer's task of brightening up the cabin without the downsides of fake chrome (which also shows fingerprints and has a tendency to flake off).

Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor @ 6,941 miles

 

 

 

 

July 25, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: FIXED!

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Fourteen (14) days ago I dropped our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT at Martin Cadillac in Los Angeles to fix a malfunctioning traction control with the promise of a quick, easy fix and same day return. Wednesday night we picked up our Pontiac, fixed, from Hooman Pontiac in Culver City.

What follows is a tale of deceit, frustration, anger, a damn-fine commitment to service from Pontiac and international espionage, though that last bit can't be discussed...

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Whadda Knob

After a late night photo shoot, I was heading home across downtown LA. This was the first night I had gotten to drive our G8.

I'm really liking this car. It shows a lot of promise that American cars are and can be great. The enigine is reverberating off the tunnel walls and I'm having great ol' time. Though I'm normally not a fan, I was in the mood for some George Thoroghgood and the Destroyers or Lynard Skynard as I blasted down the dark empty streets.

As I'm unfamiliar with the car and driving at night, I briefly looked down at the stereo as I'm driving. It has a nice volume knob, but it doesn't have a tuning knob. The dial opposite of the volume is a Menu control. It's a pet peeve of mine to not have a tuning knob. Instead you have to toggle the Track switch.

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I find the lack of a tuning knob very irritating. Sure, if I was an owner I'd get used to it, but that doesn't mean I'd give a pass to a feature I think sucks.

Scott Jacobs, Senior Photographer

July 16, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Six days waiting

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Remember my blog last Friday? The one where I took our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT to Martin Pontiac in Los Angeles for a malfunctioning traction control light and the service advisor said it was an easy fix, and that it would be done by the end of the day? Ringing any bells?

Well, it's been six days now and the G8 is still in the dealer's possession. I had to call them on Tuesday to find out what was going on. They don't seem too keen on informing their customers. Or being nice to them. The service advisor we have doesn't understand the service, or advisor, aspects of his job.

After a few calls I got to the bottom of it: It was not, as they suspected, the wheel speed sensor. The cause of our traction woes was a brake sensor. A brake sensor that GM's parts dept. can't get because they don't have a part number for it.

So, it's been six days and there's no light visible at the end of the tunnel. We'll keep you posted.

Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant @ 6,626 miles

July 11, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Traction (control) Trouble

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Who doesn't love a good powerslide? I mean good, smoky, high-speed hooliganism. The type of slide where slip angle matches velocity and the road is coming at the driver through one of the side windows.

Problem is, they're not the most low-key form of driving excitement. The neighbors, and the local constabulary, may take notice if someone were to enter their neighborhood in this fashion.                                                                 (Click picture above for larger image)

Our long-term Pontiac G8 cares not for neighbors or the police. We have, apparently, been too kind to our V8. On the way home the other night with Executive Editor Michael Jordan, the G8 decided to live on the wild side and turn the traction control off. By itself. On the highway. It wants us to be bad. It's daring us.

If it starts calling us Dave, though, I'm driving it into the ocean.

While some of our staffers thought this would be great fun, other more rational heads prevailed and I took it to  the Martin Automotive Group in Los Angeles. 

"Does it have aftermarket wheels?" our service advisor asked. Nope. "Is it lowered?" Nope. "Hmm, this is the first time I've seen this issue on a car without rims or a lowering kit. It's a common issue on the CTS and this car with big wheels or when lowered."

By 'this issue' he means a failed wheel-speed sensor. The issue he's talking about is a malfunctioning wheel-speed sensor that talks to the stability control system. He said that it was an easy fix and we'd have it back later this afternoon.

Mike Magrath, Vehicle Testing Assistant @ 6,626 miles

July 8, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Family Sport Sedan

 

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There's little question that our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT possesses solid sporting credentials. I've been curious to find out how well the G8 could serve as a family sedan, however. So over the holiday break, I packed up the G8 and made a trip to visit my in-laws. Overall, I was pretty impressed with the G8 in regards to family-carting duty. Some specific observations about fuel economy, comfort and utility follow.

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July 3, 2008

What's our Most American Car?

A Buffet of Americana. Pity about that Caravan.

On the eve of Independence Day, I thought I'd peruse our garage for the most American metal. Amongst the many long-termers presently in the long-term fleet, we have quite the selection of cars built by domestic makers. Some are excellent representives of this great land, others ... not so much. And that's not counting the pretty cool American cars that reside in our editors' own garages: Trans Ams, Challengers, Corvettes and Schmidt's big ol' F-150.

Of course, what constitutes an American car these days is up for debate given the Focus is hecho en Mexico and our Hyundai Veracruz is hecho en Alabama. But I'll leave those determinations up to you. And the nominees for our Most American Car are...

Buick Enclave

Cadillac CTS

Chevy Silverado

Dodge Caravan (oh dear god, I hope not)

Ford Edge

Ford Focus

Ford GT

Pontiac G8 GT

Saturn Aura

James Riswick, Automotive Editor

July 2, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: The Audi-Like Interior

 

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In our Pontiac G8 road test, we noted the interior seems to have been inspired by Audi's design playbook. At night, the controls and gauges illuminate in Audi-like red and white.

However, there's something missing in this photo...the dopey gauge display.

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The more I drive our G8, the more this display just irks me. OK, I know, I know, I have 13 batteries and almost three oils! Enough!

If this were my car, I'd have to figure out how to turn it off permanently or blank it off with plastic.

Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor

June 30, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: The Dilemma

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I've been fortunate enough to be driving our G8 GT for almost two weeks now. And I've been wondering: If I were in the market for a midsize or family sedan for about $30,000, would I buy a G8?

The car enthusiast part of me loves the G8's muscular styling, rear-drive and V8. Want to break the rear tires loose while doing a U-turn? Click off the stability control, manually select 1st and you're good to go...

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June 26, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: The Lotus Carlton Connection

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The first time I drove our long-term G8 GT, I thought to myself, "This is like driving a reincarnated Lotus Carlton!"

Understandably, it was an odd thought to have. But I think our G8's black paint, boffo power and European connection is what did it for me.

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June 23, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Limited Options And Color

Our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT is fully equipped. But it's still not ritzy. And I like that. As detailed in the introduction, it has the two available option packages, Sport and Premium...

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June 9, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Fuel Mileage Update

Well, we've spun up over4,000 miles on our Pontiac G8 GT, so it's high time we gave y'all a fuel economy mileage update. Against an EPA figureof18 mpg combined (15 city / 24 highway):

Average: 15.9

High Tank: 21.1

Low Tank:12.0

John DiPietro, Automotive Editor @ 4,420 miles.

May 21, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Feels the Potholes

Photo by Doug Lloyd

The above photo is supposed to illustrate a suspension, but I wasn't prepared to remove the wheel. Because the suspension on our long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT is a bit confounding to me. I drove it last night in Los Angeles' hateful, seething, evil, boiling cauldron of vile commuter traffic. The G8 was relatively comforting, nice stereo, all that...

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May 19, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: Hey, what's the redline on that thing?



Those who saw my last post on our long-term Pontiac will recall that I was hitting the G8 Kool-Aid pretty hard that day. After spending a weekend with the car, I still think it's a genuine performance bargain for $32k. It's definitely got some quirks though. One that particularly bugs me is the lack of a redline on the tachometer...

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May 15, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: No Gold Diggers

Lately, it seems like I'm meeting a lot of people who appear to be car enthusiasts but once I  start talking to them it  quickly becomes obvious they're only interested in automobiles as bling or status symbols - sad. Sure, they know some numbers and have been to a few races but there's something missing - it all comes off more like a gold digger on the make rather than someone who's actually had the taste of gasoline in their mouth on several occasions.

In a way, the G8 is kinda plain. It  will likely not appeal to gold diggers or bling blingers - one more reason I like it.  OK, the interior won't fool any Audi owners  but there's a refreshing authenticity to this sedan...

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2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Performance Testing.

Looks good sideways at 70, don't it?

Interested to see what sort of numbers it managed when the tires stuck and the Pontiac didn't disappear in a cloud of tire smoke?

Got a guess at its 0-60? 1/4 mile? Braking?  Think about it and then follow the link for results and some poorly filmed video!

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May 7, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: U R GR8



One reliable measure of a car's greatness is its ability to make you overlook the little things. Case in point: our long-term Pontiac G8 GT.

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May 6, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Interior could use an upgrade



I’ve heard a lot of great things about our G8 GT. It’s fast, it’s roomy, well built even. There’s hasn’t been much said about the interior though and now I know why. It’s not a disaster, but for $30K it’s not pretty...

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April 24, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Seal the Deal

Order the GT version of the Pontiac G8 and this is what you'll get instead of an actual spare tire. It's a tire sealant kit/air compressor. Pontiac calls it a Tire Inflation Kit. Certainly this kit won't work if you have a serious blowout or tire gash but it should be fine for small holes and minor leaks...

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April 19, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: Long Beach to San Diego

After spending the last two hours in our new G8, I can honestly say I like the car. It looks good and is fun to drive. Here's what I'd add  to make it perfect  - 1) More prominent exhaust note. 2) Thicker sidewalls for the tires. 3) Larger side mirrors...

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April 18, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8: Oi Oi Oi!

While no one was looking I snagged the keys to our Long Term G8 GT. First impression - NICE! I love the look, aggressive without being garish. I can't think of the last Pontiac I truly liked...

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April 17, 2008

2008 Pontiac G8 GT: Introduction

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A Pontiac G8 joins our long-term fleet.

We've been hankering for a full-size, rear-wheel-drive, V8-powered American sedan and the G8 GT fits the bill.

It's 6.0-liter engine is capable of 361 horsepower and it is painted a nice, shiny Panther Black.

Like it?

Read the Introduction on Inside Line...

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