We reported some preliminary information about the Buick LaCrosse Super months ago, now we have proof the V8-powered sedan is a go. These engineering mules were spotted on a recent test run complete with Impala SS wheels and taped over portholes. Expect this top-of-the-line LaCrosse to have the same 303 horsepower V8 as its Chevrolet cousin along with an upgraded interior and its own unique set of wheels and tires.
I am having trouble with an industry that is planing ahead for V-8's when we are having serious energy problems. They are stupid beyond belief. It would be wonderful to have the 8's again, but the total energy demands of the earth simply says no. Detroit does not understand. They have understood so little when you really think about it.
Um, this V8 runs as a 4-cylinder under most cruising situations. That there shows that they aren't stupid, are aware of the importance of conservation, and know that they can have power AND economy with a little bit of technology.
And the market still wants V8 powered vehicles. Detroit is only giving what the market is demanding. Detroit is smart to add AFM to the V8's( and now V6's with the 3900 V6 with AFM). It does help on saving fuel and GM has the most fuel efficient V8's with or without AFM.
No, it is because the car looks like an old mans car. While I like the design, I wouldn't buy it as it screams old man to me. It needs a Velite inspired grill like the Lucerne and Enclave has. Hell, it needs a total redesign.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the criticism is valid. But I've got a Pontiac GXP with the V8 and I'll say this: MPG is pretty dang good and, whoo boy!, when you hit the go pedal the thing hauls faster than anything I've driven. I don't care if this thing looks like an old man ride or is FWD or whatever. It's got an underrated and understressed 303 hp mill under the hood. Grandpappy will suprise a few Beemers.
While I doubt the MPG rating is stellar, it's certainly not horrible, either. Maybe 10-15% worse than your basic average import V6 when you consider the DOD factor allows them to cruise at no/low throttle with only 4 cylinders running.
Heck, guys, look at the Corvette - it's almost unhead of to not get 30+ mpg in those on the highway and they're 6.0L V8s with 400-500 horsepower!
Why do so many people associate V-8s with only Detroit? Guess what... Toyota builds V-8s, and they get worse mileage than GM's new V-8s that have the cylinder deactivation feature. With maybe the exception of Honda, every auto manufacturer builds V-8s. But they don't sell as many as GM right? So this means GM is more evil than the other companies right? Or maybe it is just because the other companies don't have enough customers to outsell GM's V-8 powered vehicles. You can bet that if Toyota could sell every car with a V-8 in it, they would do that. The profit margin on V-8s is very high, and all companies are driven by the almighty dollar.
Think next time before you swallow the corporate hook, line, and sinker that Detroit (GM, Ford, and DCX) are the only car companies that are hurting the environment. When it all comes down, the only "green" that Toyota really cares about is your money.
I agree that Toyota just wants your money, but I do think Honda has had a genuine engineering interest in building cleaner and more efficient vehicles over the years. They strike me as real geek gearheads. Not that I like all their products. I'm a big fan of GM, but I have to give credit where it's due.
A freshened LaCrosse with a more distinctive grill, upgraded interior, and V8/performance option could be a very interesting car. Personally I think "Super" sounds too retro--I'd rather see them bring back "T-Type" which had some cachet from the GN days. But overall, Buick needs more styling like the Enclave and less like the Park Avenue. The Lucerne is nice and tasteful, but there's just a bit too much "old Buick" in there to make a younger audience change their minds about the brand. If they want to be a legitimate competitor to Lexus, and I think they could be that, they need to wake things up a bit. And still spend a few more bucks on the interiors.
Pretty much any company, in the end, only cares about your money. Though some will go about different methods to earn it - including excellent customer service, appearing to be environmentally focused, etc... economics is in some ways just like politics.
It's no secret the 3800 is going out of production.
And though the pundits here don't know much here's something they can wake up to, the V8s in this body style with AFM really do get decent mileage. Very high twenties at a constant cruise is normal. Not bad for a package that can smoke any DOHC V6 out there. And unlike the Toyotas, which seem to have a problem with turning oil into jello. But other than that, this package is far cheaper to build than any of the tricked up V6s. It's win win for this stuff.
With the majority of Buick owners/buyers being up age why do they need this much power? Its time Detroit pays attention to the market and see that adding a V8 to a certain car doesnt make it initially better. In todays market people want high quality, well made, well engineered, refined, efficient, afordable vehicles, with good resale value. I think that this V8 option came out of a desperate attempt to be more competitive witht he better styled, better engineered, Chryler 300C.
For reference the V6 powered Toyota Avalon (Japanese Buick) has virtually wiped out all of Buicks line of cars. The LeSabre, Park Avenue and Century all came to an end, and the Avalon didnt need a V8 to do it. It comes with a wonderful V6 thats highly efficient and powerful. Its actually faster than the Buick Lucerne with the Northstar. It may not be as fast as a V8 LaCrosse but who will be racing these cars anyway?
I know GM is making better cars and will be making better than the current but I look at these cars as stepping stones of whats to come. But if Buick wants to be known as a competitor to Lexus then their whole linep needs to be axed immediatley. Untill then the Avalon still rules this segment.
IBtheDawg, this V8 package wont smoke "ANY DOHC V6 out there". The Lexus IS350 (pumped up version of the 3.5 DOHC V6 in Avalon/Camry) will CRUSH a V8 powered Grand Prix GXP, Impala SS, 300C, or Buick LaCrosse although its more exspensive as its a Lexus, but its still a 6.
And as far as efficiency and Corvettes go its all in the gearing, they can cruise at 65 with maybe 1500RPMs but 6th grear is virtually useless for uphills or passing. These motors are efficient but not what some make them out to be. Squeeze the throttle a few times and see.
I know the new IS350 is pretty fast, but I believe the 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times are almost identical to the new Impala SS. Some 300Cs are actually faster than the IS350 in the 1/4 mile (high 13s).
The new Lexus V6 is definitely impressive but I wouldn't say it "crushes" the American V8s. I would say it "gives them a run for their money".
Well it looks like the normal version wich in my opinion is a quite handsome car so thats a plus. But a V8 in world of high gas doesn't seem like the samrtest move.
IBtheDawg, you get what you pay for. The Buick cant touch its all around performance, build quality, material quailty, or dealership experience ( I used to own a 2000 Lexus GS400/1996 ES300 so I can relate to the dealer experience).
I really didnt want to go to the next market but you did say "smoke any DOHC V6 out there". So staying in the LaCross's market both the Honda Accord EX V6 and Toyota Camry XLE/SE V6 are of course V6 powered and dont offer and never will offer V8's so why do they sell so well? Again I still dont see the V8 benefitting the product any, GM should axe some of thier product planners.
I just dont see the need for these cars to have this much power and I dont see this addition of the V8 making the car better, or sell better. I dont think this is what people in this segment are looking for. This is just putting a band-aid on a decent product. And again Buick wants to be mentioned in the same sentence as Lexus but with the current products thats simply not possible.
Again as far as efficiency is concerned (almost) anyone can get good highway milage but the cylinder deactivation feature only works here not in the city. And how often are people on the highway for extenend periods of time to extract the full benefits of this system?
These are not the cars GM should be making or are capable of making, thanks to the UAW. Hopefully the alliance will come through for GM and we will see better product development.
To the guy who said the LaCrosse V8 might be able to take the Avalon V6... well, it might, you never know in close races, but to date I've seen an least two, maybe three magazines or online editorials that ran both of them through the 1/4-mile, and the Avalon was still quicker than the Northstar V8 powered LaCrosse. Not by much - like 2 tenths or so. But regardless, it was still faster with 2 fewer cylinders and significantly better gas milage.
The existing Lacrosse already crosses the 40 thousand dollar mark when loaded to the hilt. At least in terms of MSRP. I can't imagine anyone honestly looking at the LaCrosse with a 40k sticker, and, say, a Lexus GS350 with a 43k (base, but well equipped) sticker, and not laughing for a few hours straight. : P
People who have no idea what they are talking about should keep their mouths closed.
There has NEVER been a magazine review on performance of a V8 LaCrosse. The NorthStar was not, is not, and will never be used in a LaCrosse. All LaCrosses up till now have been V6s, so if you saw some reviews where the Avalon beat the LaCrosse, it was probably the 3.6L DOHC unit that began life in the Cadillac CTS.
The upcoming V8 is the LS4 OHV engine for the LaCrosse, as the LC has the same chassis as the GP and Impala.
Finally - 40k sticker?? Maybe in Canada? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are Canadian. You can't load up a LaCrosse and pay 40k in USD.
I think he meant Lucerne BXD which is the Avalons biggest competitor. But what he said was true. The Avalon outruns the Northstar V8 powered Lucerne and gets way better gas mileage to boot. My father (product planner for Toyota) has an Avalon Limited and it will scoot at any speed, that 3.5 is a gem of a motor. BXD no need to be hostile he just made an honest mistake.
But what I dont understand is since this LaCrosse isnt geared for performance (its a Buick) why add the V8? Buick once again needs a whole new lineup if they want to survive. The majority of its customers are older people, but what Buick needs to focus on is getting a younger audience, but it may be a bit late for that. In time I beleive Buick will end up like Oldsmoblie....which is sad.
Before we start bashing the brands and cars let's take some time to do some research and get a personal opinion of the vehicle by driving one. The Lacrosse is indeed a relatively conservative car if you look at it but that's because it is intended to be so, Buick designed the vehicle to be a "transition vehicle", it was meant to be more refined and more attractive than previous models without going overboard and discouraging loyal Buick owners while attracting those that wouldn't look at a Buick before. The next model replacing the Lacrosse will be much more aggressive and modern, by then people will have realized that Buick is indeed a changing brand and the Lacrosse and Lucerne will have proven so, but these two cars are probably just the tip of the iceberg. The Chrysler 300 and most Chrysler vehicles are the most beautiful American cars on the road without a doubt (I love’em), but a car is more than its looks, the 300 is beautiful but it cannot be compared to other manufacturers when it comes to reliability and quality (Owned an 02 300M, reliability was always a problem specially when it came to the transmission {http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/}). I have driven the Lacrosse, the 300 (which by the way it's a full size car, it's not designed to compete with the Lacrosse), the Avalon, and a barrage of other imports and while the Lacrosse may not have some amenities that other models offer the car is indeed refined, comfortable, of far higher quality than the 300 Limited I drove (look at the hood and fender gaps and the interior gaps as well), and most important nearly as quiet as the Lucerne and far more than the 300 which "howled" on the highway. Also if you know something about GM Powertrain there are two things you should realize, one: The 3800 series II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_3800_engine) and other GM OVH cam designs although 'outdated' to modern standards are one of the most reliable engines on the road (I have one now on my 06 Pontiac Grand Prix GT); and the transmission (GM 4T40) is guaranteed to last longer than most others out there BECAUSE IS A VERY OLD AND PROVEN DESIGN (If it ain't broke, then don't fix it!). And for those who want to compare the Avalon to the Lacrosse, it ain't a fair fight, but the Lucerne really leaves the Avalon on the dust when it comes to comfort, quality, quietness, features, value and refinement; if you don't believe then go drive one (my wife's a CXL V6) and you'll see what I mean (try getting and Avalon w/ NAV for less than 31K).
its nice to see a v8 in these lacrosse mules but balance and handling might be an issue. as another poster said Pontiac solved that problem with tire choices but since buick suspensions tend to lean towards a softer and more luxury car like feel handling might suffer. however i will not make final judgements until this car actually makes production. and i agree with the poster above me bring back the grand national that was a step in the right direction for buick.
A few things, GXPs and impala SSs are running high to mid 13s, the Super will NOT be slower, an Avalon is good for MAYBE high 14s, BIG difference! Second, the guy that had the 300M and is basing the quality of the 300C on it, may want to take a look at an ACTUAL 300C, the quality on the new LX cars puts the LHs to shame and is definatly everybit as high quality as a Toyota and have proven to be rock solid (remember, they ARE on a modified Mercedes E Class platform!) The fit and finish on the LX cars in general is terrific and they ride and handling balance is awesome on those thiungs considering the weight and no, an Avalon, or Accord V6, new Camry, etc, etc, will not touch one in the speed dept. and some 300s are even capable of low 13s/high 12s (srt8). I like the idea of the buick Super, the Lacrosse is my favorite of the newer W-bodies, not as plasticky as the GXP and not as bland as the Impala and has a MUCH nicer interior than either. I have driven a GXP and loved it (my current car is a modified 00 GTP that runs high 13s in the 1/4 mile). Anyways, if Buicks markets the Super i think it will do well. Oh, the LS4 cars would smoke ANY natural aspirated northstar car out there and get considerably better gas mileage doing it.. I can't wait to see this thing on the road!
Great post that says what I would've. My wife and I have test driven the LS4 sedans and loved their performance but not their seats. So the Impala and Pontiac are out. We test drove both of the 2007 Buick CXS cars and liked their comfortable seats, but weren't impressed with their pick up. So it looks like the LaCrosse Super will be our car of choice (provided the seats are comfortable).
I am having trouble with an industry that is planing ahead for V-8's when we are having serious energy problems. They are stupid beyond belief. It would be wonderful to have the 8's again, but the total energy demands of the earth simply says no. Detroit does not understand. They have understood so little when you really think about it.
Um, this V8 runs as a 4-cylinder under most cruising situations. That there shows that they aren't stupid, are aware of the importance of conservation, and know that they can have power AND economy with a little bit of technology.
Detroit knows more than you give them credit for.
And the market still wants V8 powered vehicles. Detroit is only giving what the market is demanding. Detroit is smart to add AFM to the V8's( and now V6's with the 3900 V6 with AFM). It does help on saving fuel and GM has the most fuel efficient V8's with or without AFM.
Was that really the problem with the la Crosse, not enough power???
No, it is because the car looks like an old mans car. While I like the design, I wouldn't buy it as it screams old man to me. It needs a Velite inspired grill like the Lucerne and Enclave has. Hell, it needs a total redesign.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the criticism is valid. But I've got a Pontiac GXP with the V8 and I'll say this: MPG is pretty dang good and, whoo boy!, when you hit the go pedal the thing hauls faster than anything I've driven. I don't care if this thing looks like an old man ride or is FWD or whatever. It's got an underrated and understressed 303 hp mill under the hood. Grandpappy will suprise a few Beemers.
While I doubt the MPG rating is stellar, it's certainly not horrible, either. Maybe 10-15% worse than your basic average import V6 when you consider the DOD factor allows them to cruise at no/low throttle with only 4 cylinders running.
Heck, guys, look at the Corvette - it's almost unhead of to not get 30+ mpg in those on the highway and they're 6.0L V8s with 400-500 horsepower!
Why do so many people associate V-8s with only Detroit? Guess what... Toyota builds V-8s, and they get worse mileage than GM's new V-8s that have the cylinder deactivation feature. With maybe the exception of Honda, every auto manufacturer builds V-8s. But they don't sell as many as GM right? So this means GM is more evil than the other companies right? Or maybe it is just because the other companies don't have enough customers to outsell GM's V-8 powered vehicles. You can bet that if Toyota could sell every car with a V-8 in it, they would do that. The profit margin on V-8s is very high, and all companies are driven by the almighty dollar.
Think next time before you swallow the corporate hook, line, and sinker that Detroit (GM, Ford, and DCX) are the only car companies that are hurting the environment. When it all comes down, the only "green" that Toyota really cares about is your money.
I agree that Toyota just wants your money, but I do think Honda has had a genuine engineering interest in building cleaner and more efficient vehicles over the years. They strike me as real geek gearheads. Not that I like all their products. I'm a big fan of GM, but I have to give credit where it's due.
A freshened LaCrosse with a more distinctive grill, upgraded interior, and V8/performance option could be a very interesting car. Personally I think "Super" sounds too retro--I'd rather see them bring back "T-Type" which had some cachet from the GN days. But overall, Buick needs more styling like the Enclave and less like the Park Avenue. The Lucerne is nice and tasteful, but there's just a bit too much "old Buick" in there to make a younger audience change their minds about the brand. If they want to be a legitimate competitor to Lexus, and I think they could be that, they need to wake things up a bit. And still spend a few more bucks on the interiors.
Pretty much any company, in the end, only cares about your money. Though some will go about different methods to earn it - including excellent customer service, appearing to be environmentally focused, etc... economics is in some ways just like politics.
I have an entirely different problem with this ... V8 plus FWD are not the ideal recipe for balance.
Pontiac tuned it out with tire choices, but you know this is going to be softer and struggle a lot more to harness the power.
Why?
It's no secret the 3800 is going out of production.
And though the pundits here don't know much here's something they can wake up to, the V8s in this body style with AFM really do get decent mileage. Very high twenties at a constant cruise is normal. Not bad for a package that can smoke any DOHC V6 out there. And unlike the Toyotas, which seem to have a problem with turning oil into jello. But other than that, this package is far cheaper to build than any of the tricked up V6s. It's win win for this stuff.
With the majority of Buick owners/buyers being up age why do they need this much power? Its time Detroit pays attention to the market and see that adding a V8 to a certain car doesnt make it initially better. In todays market people want high quality, well made, well engineered, refined, efficient, afordable vehicles, with good resale value. I think that this V8 option came out of a desperate attempt to be more competitive witht he better styled, better engineered, Chryler 300C.
For reference the V6 powered Toyota Avalon (Japanese Buick) has virtually wiped out all of Buicks line of cars. The LeSabre, Park Avenue and Century all came to an end, and the Avalon didnt need a V8 to do it. It comes with a wonderful V6 thats highly efficient and powerful. Its actually faster than the Buick Lucerne with the Northstar. It may not be as fast as a V8 LaCrosse but who will be racing these cars anyway?
I know GM is making better cars and will be making better than the current but I look at these cars as stepping stones of whats to come. But if Buick wants to be known as a competitor to Lexus then their whole linep needs to be axed immediatley. Untill then the Avalon still rules this segment.
IBtheDawg, this V8 package wont smoke "ANY DOHC V6 out there". The Lexus IS350 (pumped up version of the 3.5 DOHC V6 in Avalon/Camry) will CRUSH a V8 powered Grand Prix GXP, Impala SS, 300C, or Buick LaCrosse although its more exspensive as its a Lexus, but its still a 6.
And as far as efficiency and Corvettes go its all in the gearing, they can cruise at 65 with maybe 1500RPMs but 6th grear is virtually useless for uphills or passing. These motors are efficient but not what some make them out to be. Squeeze the throttle a few times and see.
Dollar for dollar, you lose. Of course I could do the same as you and go the next market and you really lose. Have it your way.
hondacura4
I know the new IS350 is pretty fast, but I believe the 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times are almost identical to the new Impala SS. Some 300Cs are actually faster than the IS350 in the 1/4 mile (high 13s).
The new Lexus V6 is definitely impressive but I wouldn't say it "crushes" the American V8s. I would say it "gives them a run for their money".
Well it looks like the normal version wich in my opinion is a quite handsome car so thats a plus. But a V8 in world of high gas doesn't seem like the samrtest move.
And whats with the Chevy Impala rims!?!?!?!?!?!
IBtheDawg, you get what you pay for. The Buick cant touch its all around performance, build quality, material quailty, or dealership experience ( I used to own a 2000 Lexus GS400/1996 ES300 so I can relate to the dealer experience).
I really didnt want to go to the next market but you did say "smoke any DOHC V6 out there". So staying in the LaCross's market both the Honda Accord EX V6 and Toyota Camry XLE/SE V6 are of course V6 powered and dont offer and never will offer V8's so why do they sell so well? Again I still dont see the V8 benefitting the product any, GM should axe some of thier product planners.
I just dont see the need for these cars to have this much power and I dont see this addition of the V8 making the car better, or sell better. I dont think this is what people in this segment are looking for. This is just putting a band-aid on a decent product. And again Buick wants to be mentioned in the same sentence as Lexus but with the current products thats simply not possible.
Again as far as efficiency is concerned (almost) anyone can get good highway milage but the cylinder deactivation feature only works here not in the city. And how often are people on the highway for extenend periods of time to extract the full benefits of this system?
These are not the cars GM should be making or are capable of making, thanks to the UAW. Hopefully the alliance will come through for GM and we will see better product development.
To the guy who said the LaCrosse V8 might be able to take the Avalon V6... well, it might, you never know in close races, but to date I've seen an least two, maybe three magazines or online editorials that ran both of them through the 1/4-mile, and the Avalon was still quicker than the Northstar V8 powered LaCrosse. Not by much - like 2 tenths or so. But regardless, it was still faster with 2 fewer cylinders and significantly better gas milage.
The existing Lacrosse already crosses the 40 thousand dollar mark when loaded to the hilt. At least in terms of MSRP. I can't imagine anyone honestly looking at the LaCrosse with a 40k sticker, and, say, a Lexus GS350 with a 43k (base, but well equipped) sticker, and not laughing for a few hours straight. : P
People who have no idea what they are talking about should keep their mouths closed.
There has NEVER been a magazine review on performance of a V8 LaCrosse. The NorthStar was not, is not, and will never be used in a LaCrosse. All LaCrosses up till now have been V6s, so if you saw some reviews where the Avalon beat the LaCrosse, it was probably the 3.6L DOHC unit that began life in the Cadillac CTS.
The upcoming V8 is the LS4 OHV engine for the LaCrosse, as the LC has the same chassis as the GP and Impala.
Finally - 40k sticker?? Maybe in Canada? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are Canadian. You can't load up a LaCrosse and pay 40k in USD.
I think he meant Lucerne BXD which is the Avalons biggest competitor. But what he said was true. The Avalon outruns the Northstar V8 powered Lucerne and gets way better gas mileage to boot. My father (product planner for Toyota) has an Avalon Limited and it will scoot at any speed, that 3.5 is a gem of a motor. BXD no need to be hostile he just made an honest mistake.
But what I dont understand is since this LaCrosse isnt geared for performance (its a Buick) why add the V8? Buick once again needs a whole new lineup if they want to survive. The majority of its customers are older people, but what Buick needs to focus on is getting a younger audience, but it may be a bit late for that. In time I beleive Buick will end up like Oldsmoblie....which is sad.
Before we start bashing the brands and cars let's take some time to do some research and get a personal opinion of the vehicle by driving one. The Lacrosse is indeed a relatively conservative car if you look at it but that's because it is intended to be so, Buick designed the vehicle to be a "transition vehicle", it was meant to be more refined and more attractive than previous models without going overboard and discouraging loyal Buick owners while attracting those that wouldn't look at a Buick before. The next model replacing the Lacrosse will be much more aggressive and modern, by then people will have realized that Buick is indeed a changing brand and the Lacrosse and Lucerne will have proven so, but these two cars are probably just the tip of the iceberg. The Chrysler 300 and most Chrysler vehicles are the most beautiful American cars on the road without a doubt (I love’em), but a car is more than its looks, the 300 is beautiful but it cannot be compared to other manufacturers when it comes to reliability and quality (Owned an 02 300M, reliability was always a problem specially when it came to the transmission {http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/}). I have driven the Lacrosse, the 300 (which by the way it's a full size car, it's not designed to compete with the Lacrosse), the Avalon, and a barrage of other imports and while the Lacrosse may not have some amenities that other models offer the car is indeed refined, comfortable, of far higher quality than the 300 Limited I drove (look at the hood and fender gaps and the interior gaps as well), and most important nearly as quiet as the Lucerne and far more than the 300 which "howled" on the highway. Also if you know something about GM Powertrain there are two things you should realize, one: The 3800 series II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_3800_engine) and other GM OVH cam designs although 'outdated' to modern standards are one of the most reliable engines on the road (I have one now on my 06 Pontiac Grand Prix GT); and the transmission (GM 4T40) is guaranteed to last longer than most others out there BECAUSE IS A VERY OLD AND PROVEN DESIGN (If it ain't broke, then don't fix it!). And for those who want to compare the Avalon to the Lacrosse, it ain't a fair fight, but the Lucerne really leaves the Avalon on the dust when it comes to comfort, quality, quietness, features, value and refinement; if you don't believe then go drive one (my wife's a CXL V6) and you'll see what I mean (try getting and Avalon w/ NAV for less than 31K).
bring back the buick grand national and ill be happy.
its nice to see a v8 in these lacrosse mules but balance and handling might be an issue. as another poster said Pontiac solved that problem with tire choices but since buick suspensions tend to lean towards a softer and more luxury car like feel handling might suffer. however i will not make final judgements until this car actually makes production. and i agree with the poster above me bring back the grand national that was a step in the right direction for buick.
A few things, GXPs and impala SSs are running high to mid 13s, the Super will NOT be slower, an Avalon is good for MAYBE high 14s, BIG difference! Second, the guy that had the 300M and is basing the quality of the 300C on it, may want to take a look at an ACTUAL 300C, the quality on the new LX cars puts the LHs to shame and is definatly everybit as high quality as a Toyota and have proven to be rock solid (remember, they ARE on a modified Mercedes E Class platform!) The fit and finish on the LX cars in general is terrific and they ride and handling balance is awesome on those thiungs considering the weight and no, an Avalon, or Accord V6, new Camry, etc, etc, will not touch one in the speed dept. and some 300s are even capable of low 13s/high 12s (srt8). I like the idea of the buick Super, the Lacrosse is my favorite of the newer W-bodies, not as plasticky as the GXP and not as bland as the Impala and has a MUCH nicer interior than either. I have driven a GXP and loved it (my current car is a modified 00 GTP that runs high 13s in the 1/4 mile). Anyways, if Buicks markets the Super i think it will do well. Oh, the LS4 cars would smoke ANY natural aspirated northstar car out there and get considerably better gas mileage doing it.. I can't wait to see this thing on the road!
If i wanted a buik i would go for the lucerne.
stewie1...
Great post that says what I would've. My wife and I have test driven the LS4 sedans and loved their performance but not their seats. So the Impala and Pontiac are out. We test drove both of the 2007 Buick CXS cars and liked their comfortable seats, but weren't impressed with their pick up. So it looks like the LaCrosse Super will be our car of choice (provided the seats are comfortable).