Subaru coupe benchmarking Integra Type R

I'd like to see the source for that "220 horsepower version of the naturally aspirated 2.0 boxer". I can't imagine them squeezing that much power out of the unit without turbocharging it, and I don't imagine a turbo engine would be the only one available.

I think it's great they are modeling it after the Integra. It's the best car Acura ever built and easily the cream of the crop in the 90's.
 
The real question is how much of a market is there for sports coupes right now?

I'd take what you read with a grain of salt, orangutan. I will say Inside Line's Japan correspondent, Peter Lyon, is generally a reliable source.
 
The news article about the upcoming Legacy mentioned a 3.7L engine. Subaru doesn't currently have any 3.7L engines. The closest thing I can think of is the 3.6L H6 in the current Tribeca.
 
2010 Subaru Legacy speculation:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=126468
 
For what it's worth, I don't like the headlights. :(

Loren, then you'll likely not like the new Legacy. From what I understand those headlights are pretty close to the real thing—but larger.

I don't like the lights either. When did weird looking design become good looking design?
 
There has been some "offline" discussion between flicmod and I about what is meant by Integra Type-R. Is that meaning the 1990s USDM available Acura Integra Type-R? Or the 2000 era Honda Integra/Acura RSX? Odd if they are benchmarking the old R we know in the US. Cool though.

Either its completely new or if they turned the EJ207 into NA... if so, it'd be great because it has a 8000rpm redline in turbo configuration, so the NA would be real rev happy and proper for a RWD sports car. However, this engine isn't cheap and it's likely we'll get the 2.5L instead.
 
Benchmarking a FWD car while designing a RWD car just sounds silly... of course, it isn't clear what attributes they are benchmarking. It could simply be the performance numbers they are after, which are quite good. (like the GTR benchmarking the Porsche Turbo... thank goodness they used their own handling dynamics)

I'm pretty sure they meant RSX/Integra Type R, it was better in all categories. This new Subayota coupe is much more up my alley compared to the Hyundai Coupe I have been eyeing. This is like 600lbs lighter, same power, smaller exterior dimensions and a little cheaper. Gotta love it. I'll take one in World Rally Blue.
I'm also not sure how they can get a 2.0L NA to make 220hp at 6500 rpm's. That sounds like turbo revs. I think it will be 2.5L NA current motor making 175hp and the 2.5L turbo making 220+. But, at my price range of high teens, 175hp rear wheel drive in a 2866lbs coupe is perfect. Just hope it hits about 30mpg on low octane. I'll take one in WRB, wait, I already said that...

The Integras of yore were fantastic drives, especially the GSR and Type R. If Subaru is benchmarking the dynamics of that car, they're getting a good start.

"Benchmarking a FWD car while designing a RWD car just sounds silly... of course, it isn't clear what attributes they are benchmarking. It could simply be the performance numbers they are after, which are quite good. (like the GTR benchmarking the Porsche Turbo... thank goodness they used their own handling dynamics)"
 
You obviously have never driven a Integra Type R. In its day it put many RWD peformance cars to shame. Just about everything about that car was top notch but it just wasnt very civil as it wasnt supposed to be.
 
What I dont understand is why they are benchmarking old Hondas? Why not use the fantastic new JDM Civic Type R as the benchmark as its clearly faster than ANY DC2 (94-01) and DC5 (02-06) Integra R's. At certain tracks this car set lap times about second short of a NSX Type S.
 
220hp out of a 2.0 liter isnt new. Honda has been doing it for years. Good head/intake manifold efficiency/design, high compression, 8000+ RPM, DOHC configuration, solid internals and a nicely executed VVT w/lift system should have no problems getting 220hp.
 
Honda S2000 238hp 2.0L
 
Honda Civic Type R 225hp 2.0L with a fat torque curve.

And how much torque have all of those 2.0L engines had, hondacura4? :o)
 
220 hp out of a normally aspirated 2.0L *flat-four* on 91 octane California gas would be an amazing feat.
 
My Magic 8 Ball says, "Doubtful."

The 2.0L S2000 had 157lb ft I believe.
 
The Civic Type R has 152lb ft but its MUCH MORE accessible due to the (i)-VTEC and VTC systems. It has a much fatter low-midrange curve than the F20C in the S2000.
 
From what Ive heard its almost like driving a I/H/E, Hondata reflased equipped Civic Si. That car gained 32 lbft to the WHEELS in the midrange and had gains everywhere else in the powerband.
 
http://hondata.com/reflash_06_civicsi.html
 
Look at Hondatas lighty moded Si's. Scroll all the way to the bottom to view a full bolt on Si dyno sheet. THat midrange gain is nothing short of impressive! I dont know why Honda doesnt tune them this way from the factory as emissions arent altered from what I can gather.
 
150+ lbft of torque from an n/a 2.0 is quite impressive. The new a-VTEC system is supposed to fatten the torque curve even more. I think I read along the lines of 7-10% increase in torque with up to 13% gain in fuel economy.

"Honda Civic Type R 225hp 2.0L with a fat torque curve"
 
LOL, i guess if you drive only honda's all your life, then it would be a lot of torque.
 
I owned an Integra 10 years ago, but mine actually had some torque because it was supercharged. It wasn't a Type R, but it was faster.
 
And yes I have driven Type R's, along with more cars than you know.

"Toyota's largest contribution to the mix will be product planning and its impeccable quality control."
 
I laughed really hard when I read that. So I guess then this thing will go through camshafts faster than oil, will deploy the side airbags when you shut the door, and won't actually move because the tranny is stuck solid. No need to get a parking spot for this baby, as it will spend most nights at your local dealership.
 
It was tentatively on my list depending on Toyota's contribution. Since that contribution is "quality" it is now soundly off the list.

ITR is a fine benchmark. This was not your garden-variety Integra, and it proved itself on the track up against any sub-$20,000 competition.
 
Sure, it was FWD, but it didn't make enough torque for torque steer to be a problem.

"LOL, I guess if you drive only honda's all your life, then it would be a lot of torque."
 
I guess if youre backwards enough to just look at the number without considering these engines dont have a lot of displacement and sky high redlines... I would agree. Common sense would tell one that a 2.0L high revving 4 banger wont have nearly as much torque as a 6.0L v8.
 
Its not that these engines dont have torque, they just deliver the torque they do have in a different way. Did you even bother to look at the link?
 
Actually I havent owned "just Hondas" all my life, Ive had 2 V8 powered cars.

I agree with Hondacura4. I wouldn't use the term benchmark though. The Acura is regarded as the best handling FF car of all time so most likely Subaru will be rooting for a car that gives the handling of a FF car while being rear wheeled. For those saying a 100hp or more per litre is impossible, try removing the turbos of WRXs and EVOs and then dynotesting them. Boxer engines are one of the srongest four cylinder engines of all time and can easily handle the extra hp. Cars like the WRX and EVOs are actually detuned by manufacturers because they have to meet the emissions regulations. Since when have you people paid gas guzzler taxes for the car mentioned? And for the torque comments, I don't see V8 drivers looking too smug when a EVO draws up beside them which has less torque than performance V8s.

torque: Honda will be the benchmark in more ways than one. Expect lots of manufacturers to follow Honda's example of low torque but highly fuel efficient engines. Those 6-speed automatics will make them much easier to live with.

"I laughed really hard when I read that. So I guess then this thing will go through camshafts faster than oil, will deploy the side airbags when you shut the door, and won't actually move because the tranny is stuck solid. No need to get a parking spot for this baby, as it will spend most nights at your local dealership."
 
If you think that Toyotas are not quality cars I'd like to see what you drive. I believe Toyota is #1 in the US for reliability, sometimes switching with Honda depending on modelyear. Two of my good friends own Toyotas, one has 287k miles, the other 305k. Other than routine maintenance they have had absolutely no problems for the last 10 years. It is hard to find a dissatisfied Toyota owner.

"I laughed really hard when I read that. So I guess then this thing will go through camshafts faster than oil, will deploy the side airbags when you shut the door, and won't actually move because the tranny is stuck solid. No need to get a parking spot for this baby, as it will spend most nights at your local dealership.
  
It was tentatively on my list depending on Toyota's contribution. Since that contribution is "quality" it is now soundly off the list."
 
Wow - what planet are you driving cars on? Your comments regarding Toyota's quality are so far off the mark, I don't know where to begin.